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'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. That's because they have single party system. Eventually they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system. Then they will be able to let themselves to be hated because half o…

> they'll figure out that splitting into two parties and exchanging highest power between the two every few years while still colectively controlling everything of value is way more resilient system This requires rule of law to function. Otherwise, one set of elites won't trust handing power to the other. The breathless levels of corruption at the top of the CCP would also have to go, which is a difficult transition…

You are assuming that the corresponding figureheads would have a real power, they are not.

Do you think it is a coincidence that actors, reality tv stars elected to the highest political seats? A monkey would perform as well if not better.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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You won’t have to imagine long, in Canada one can now be imprisoned for using the (in)correct pronoun of a relative, so the CCP model might be globalized sooner than we expected. Each country have his legalized taboos, and those we had in the West aren’t more ridiculous than the Chinese one. Free speech should prevail.

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi... “could someone go to jail for using the wrong pronoun? In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act.”

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's a scholar's opinion on the application of the law, not the law. What courts make of it, and how they develop the law over time, cannot be concluded at this point.

And it goes on to say, a few lines below what you quoted:

If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time?

It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.

“The path to prison is not straightforward. It’s not easy. But, it’s there. It’s been used before in breach of tribunal orders.”

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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This is the kind of content I'd like to see less of on Hacker News. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There are other platforms (Reddit) where there's plenty of discussion around topics like this. Not to say that HN…

I don't even think political content is inherently not HN worthy, but the comment section just always devolves into flamewars and "x is bad" vs "y is bad". I would really like to see a filter or harder moderation on the submitters of this type of content.

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Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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This is the kind of content I'd like to see less of on Hacker News. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There are other platforms (Reddit) where there's plenty of discussion around topics like this. Not to say that HN…

Most isn't all, and I would make the case for an exception here... at least in ideal terms. The HK protests had a vanguard element that qualifies as "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." This film captures some of that.

That said, HN (like most social media) doesn't handle this kind of content very well... in practical terms. Might be best to go with a practical "do what you can do well" approach and avoid topics you can't do well.

Maybe a "no comments" post type for topics like this?

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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The CPC propaganda department has ordered its local media to stagger the Oscars this year and downplay the event because this documentary short was nominated. https://variety.com/2021/film/asia/china-tells-media-stagger... I watched it recently and thought it didn't go nearly far enough in highlighting the abuses by the HK police, and even glossed over or omitted some very important events that triggered the continue…

> The fragility of the CPC and its fear in being portrayed in any negative light knows no limits. We can only hope that will be its downfall.

> We can only hope that will be its downfall.

Be careful what you wish for. Toppling a horrible government does not always solve problems. I'm not saying we should just throw the oppressed under the bus to get stability, but an actual downfall of CCP would probably be like Saddam Hussein only exponentially worse.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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Can you please help me understand what is written in (mandarin?) above? Is it just a translation of the same?

In order: 1. Free Hong Kong, revolution of our times 2. Hong Kong people, add oil (basically a statement of encouragement) 3. Five demands, not one less 4. There are no rioters, only tyranny 5. The Hong Kong Police know the law, yet break the law (I haven't seen this one around in many English-speaking circles so I can't really give an accurate translation from the eyes of HKers) These were basically the slogans used…

thank you

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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No it isn't. The people of Myanmar have been sharing lots and lots of videos and media showing china has sent police officers and soldiers to the military government to keep order. It's totally in the CCP playbook to replace local police with their own cadres.

Again, complete hearsay that China is supporting the military coup. They had good relations with incumbent government due to the belt and road initiative.

>> The people of Myanmar have been sharing lots and lots of videos...

> complete hearsay...

Um, what? How do you go from video evidence to "complete hearsay"?

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identi... “could someone go to jail for using the wrong pronoun? In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act.”

Time will tell... For the moment an arrestation over a trivial matter like this is a very big deal. Also the red guards are actively brigading here, elsewhere on the net and irl to impose their cultural revolution, in addition of hijacking the legal system, so the comparison with communist China is very apt.

This modern red gaurd you worry about is built on top of what social media enables, amplifies and rewards.

Two points worth making about "revolutions" built on top of social media -

1. They dont generate outcomes. We now have 15 years of data on social medias bullshit revolutions that prove it. Best example would be what has happened in Tunisia or what outcomes that Hope and Change guy produced beyond getting himself a job at Netflix.

2. The clueless buffoon class behind social media algos of the last 15 years have finally woken up to their own cluelessness, so the algos are changing. Reward mechanisms are changing. What gets amplified is changing. Who gets thrown off the network is evolving. And even though all these changes are still in the realm of half baked shit, one thing they ensure is the type of "revolutions" and "revolutionaries" propped up over the last 15 year wont resemble what gets propped up in the next 15.

So I wouldnt loose too much sleep. Especially in Canada.

Re: 'Do Not Split': A Hong Kong protest film [video]

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I mean they censored Winnie the Pooh because of light hearted comparisons between Pooh and Xi (that were arguably positive). [0][1] Once you're doing that, pretty much anything is going to clear that bar. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Censorship [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_in_China

I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban....

> I'm really skeptical that's true.... Winnie the Pooh is such a popular theme in products in China, I've never heard anything remotely close to such a ban....

IIRC, it's not a general ban, it's just censored from social media, probably by official directive.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-win...

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