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#171

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As in disrupting us and thus USD ?

I think the US has been disrupting the USD just fine on their own. 22% of all USD were "printed" just last year: https://www.somagnews.com/9-trillion-story-22-of-us-dollars-...

I know that, I read curious if the alt right potentially thought they'd benefit from sabotaging it even more and leverage crypto as a hedge.

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Well, "business as usual" has led working class (and middle class) america to wage stagnation, increasingly worse jobs, de-industrialization, decline of small towns, meth/heroin rise, and such, plus wars mainly using poor rural people as fodder, and other such niceties. Plus coastal elites (including non-elites who still identify as hollier-than the plebs in the fly-over country) sneering at them. The glorious march…

Kind of a good take, but these points actually makes their attitude even stranger: they are not afraid of neoliberalism, which is the defacto economic position of both the left and the right, but of "communism." Biden is a "communist," or "godless," or "anti-American." What do these statements actually mean? You can argue that their feelings of economic greivance make sense--but their voting habits are a rejection of…

>they are not afraid of neoliberalism, which is the defacto economic position of both the left and the right, but of "communism." Biden is a "communist," or "godless," or "anti-American." What do these statements actually mean?

Compare:

>Fascism is strongly opposed to the individualism found in classical liberalism. Fascists accuse liberalism of de-spiritualizing human beings and transforming them into materialistic beings whose highest ideal is moneymaking.[261] In particular, fascism opposes liberalism for its materialism, rationalism, individualism and utilitarianism.[262] Fascists believe that the liberal emphasis on individual freedom produces national divisiveness.[261] Mussolini criticized classical liberalism for its individualistic nature, writing: "Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; ... It is opposed to classical Liberalism ... Liberalism denied the State in the interests of the particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the true reality of the individual."[263] However, Fascists and Nazis support a type of hierarchical individualism in the form of Social Darwinism because they believe it promotes "superior individuals" and weeds out "the weak".[264] They also accuse both Marxism and democracy, with their emphasis on equality, of destroying individuality in favor of the "dead weight" of the masses.[265]

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Fascists saw contemporary politics as a life or death struggle of their nations against Marxism, and they believed that liberalism weakened their nations in this struggle and left them defenseless.[268] While the socialist left was seen by the fascists as their main enemy, liberals were seen as the enemy's accomplices, "incompetent guardians of the nation against the class warfare waged by the socialists."[268]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_and_ideology#Liberalis...

I think an issue we're seeing is American schools don't really teach anything about the Fascists outside of the context of WW2 itself and the Holocaust, and it means regular people don't recognize it in the Republican's rhetoric.

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None of this is Democrats or liberal's fault. Their party has been yelling about getting off fossil fuels for the last 20 years. Obama encouraged organizations that were re-training coal miners and others in dead industries to join the digital workforce. It's the alt-right who have been promising to go back to 'normal' and that coal is the future. The economics aren't there, fossil fuels is a dying industry. Even if…

Nobody brought up coal this election cycle. The complaint about Biden was his perceived promise to ban fracking.

Given Breitbart's reputation, the publication date, and the title:

This is at-least one source of coal (and other fossil fuels) being politicized this election cycle.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/29/joe-biden-no-c...

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Also, the bit about 'the industrial revolution and its consequences that have been a disaster for the human race' slightly paraphrases the opening of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and its Future , which is quite popular with accelerationists and eco-fascists due to his relative success as the 'Unabomber'.

I recall thinking of the Unabomber manifesto when I first started seeing the alt-right emerge in a big way in the early 20-teens. The alt-right and adjacent movements sort of do belong under the umbrella of neo-primitivism. There are a lot of ideological parallels and deep similarities in the emotional appeals. It takes me back to when I read the Unabomber manifesto online as a teenager when it was first printed. I l…

I think this is a very fair analysis. Kaczynski definitely put his finger on something fundamental about the impact of technology on society. Among his fans are left-wing anarcho-primitivists as well as right wing eco-fascists and while they have fundamentally different views of tribalism and identity there's a lot of overlap between them, and it's not unknown to see people in one group drift into the other.

Kaczynski has also continued to write while in prison and his work is thought-provoking notwithstanding the paradoxes involved (eg how technology has facilitated the spread of his anti-technological ideas). His views don't fit neatly into any political category.

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I present to you the words of Kristen Clarke, Biden’s future head of the DoJ’s Civil Rights division: “Melanin endows blacks with greater mental, physical, and spiritual abilities — something which cannot be measured by Eurocentric standards.” This is just one quote from her letter, which goes on at length about black superiority. I think the problem we have right now is we have two sets of standards. People that hav…

I think that you are being disingenuous in not pointing out the context as a rhetorical device to point out hypocrisy and absurdity of racist views, but I don't think you should be downmodded for bringing this to light given the comment chain above you.

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> You don't use wording like that on accident Stupidier things have happened in the past. I bet more than half of HN wouldn't know that quote if you removed the "white" part, so not so unlikely that someone who doesn't know it, sends it to others as the sentiment (without the "white" part) is actually pretty good.

> more than half of HN wouldn't know that quote The donor here is not comparable to typical HN users. They've gone out of their way to make a large donation to known white supremacists. Also, if you read the donor's suicide note (in the article), there is a reference to the Weimar Republic and there is a holocaust denier code phrase. (I won't encourage its spread by copying it here, but it's in one of the highlighted…

I consider myself a classic liberal, not a leftist most people on the left assume I am a conservative, most on the right assume I am a leftist because of my belief in social liberties. I bring this up, because I am generally the hey, hey, hey lets give this guy, the benefit of doubt voice, but I have to agree with you on this one, there is not much to read between the line on, with what this guy is saying. We don't even really have to use polito-speak words like dog whistle to make it look like that is what he is saying. He is saying it very clear and his meaning is very clear this guy is/was a white supremacist's.

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#177

I hope this will get attention. Just so more people will realise that bitcoin is dangerous to use and accept because it is not private. Even if youre doing nothing wrong, would you want to unintentionally receive funds linked to this?

I'm not sure of the point here, this seems a bit nonsensical. Do you avoid using cash too because criminals use it? Using or accepting Bitcoin is not dangerous because of this. And you have no more chance of unintentionally recieving funds linked to this than you have of unintentionally recieving cash used for criminal purposes. (Not intending to start an argument for or against Bitcoin, and there are other pros and…

I agree here, he could have just as easily mailed them cash. Pretty much the same result.

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#178

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Nobody brought up coal this election cycle. The complaint about Biden was his perceived promise to ban fracking.

Given Breitbart's reputation, the publication date, and the title: This is at-least one source of coal (and other fossil fuels) being politicized this election cycle. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/29/joe-biden-no-c...

Okay, that source also mentions coal, but oil is the part of that statement that really set people off. Since Obama took office to just before Covid, US oil production nearly tripled. The decline of coal is economically priced in, but shutting down domestic oil and gas production anytime soon would take a shotgun to the economy.

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The Lightning network in conjunction with Tor will make tracing of transactions nearly impossible in the future. However right now the technology to properly anonymize bitcoin already exists via coinjoin wallets. The most mature implementation so far is the Samourai Wallet using Whirlpool. If you are doing it right there is no danger using Bitcoin at all. In fact it might even less dangerous than any other method of…

All BTC privacy technologies will be opt-in, and all empirical evidence shows this doesnt work - both from a technical and sociological perspective. On the technical side, analysis is always much more difficult to stop than people think. In terms of people's behaviour, adoption is nearly impossible and services will ban or flag such transactions, if mining pools even mine the transaction. Sure grandma can just practi…

The problem is not that the technologies are opt-in. The problem is that there is no simple UI implementation at this point in time. In the end any anonymized Lightning Wallet transaction will be just as simple as scanning a QR code with a simple slider that lets you choose the level of anonymity. And the ability to "opt-in" will give the market the opportunity to properly price anonymity. This is a feature not a bug.

> Scaling is still a difficult and unsolved problem for now

Scaling is essentially a solved problem thanks to Lightning. Adoption is currently a problem but will become a non-problem as soon as transaction fees rise so much that it is worth the effort for everyone to get Lightning Network running. Right now this is not the case.

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#180
As if Mozilla‘s recent Orwellian statements weren’t icing on the cake enough. Or the cheering on of hackers who just dumped Parler’s DB on Reddit with the purpose to dox a good perthousand/percentage of American citizens. Now it’s the otherwise privacy-wise infallible blockchain that is to be freedom-shamed because someone dared to use it as marketed.

These days lay bare the bigotry of the tech- and internet culture.

Decades of championing independence from prosecution, from surveillance, and from corporatist government overreach, as self-styled digital-freedom-of-speech-vigilantes, are now moot - as within a single week all quasi monopolists in the tech world did exactly what was fearmongered all these years - and the same culture stays silent at best because it was downright complicit at worst.

You see for the first time all those often signaled, highflying virtues weren‘t demanded in some third world country but right at one‘s doorstep - and we failed miserably.

Classic dictatorships need massive amounts CCTVs, intrusive artificial intelligence and a party apparatus to run their social scoring to subdue the public.

The west just needs us!

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