Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk • Hacker News Board

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Post by toomuchtodo » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 12:45 PM UTC

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #166

mst wrote: post #73

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This is an important question in terms of all work. But even without being able to answer it, restricting sex workers' choices via deplatforming and criminalisation invariably makes them less safe, so I'd argue that we should stop doing that anyway . Letting them actually report exploitation to the police would be a start (and no, swedish model bullshit doesn't achieve that, if you criminalise any part of the transac…

Completely agree with both you and gp. IMHO, the "right" way to fix these issues is to make sure people have a choice. Many girls get into sex work because it's either sex or starve. We need to (as a society), give these people a third alternative. Ideally, this would result in only people who WANT to be sex workers to go down that path (pretty much like only people who WANT to be CEOs are CEOs).

I could not agree more.

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Post by ryanmercer » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #12

toomuchtodo wrote: post #4

How do you ensure that the person performing sex work is being compensated for sex work, versus some form of exploitation (whether that's the platform or an individual exploiting)? A sex worker union [1] who can negotiate with distribution companies and platforms, lobby legislators and payment facilitators (who should not be prohibiting payments for legal business transactions), and ensure quality working conditions…

Same way you ensure any other person isn’t being exploited. Society provides resources allowing the person to have the opportunity to not be leveraged into exploitation as their only option.

>Same way you ensure any other person isn’t being exploited.

"It's estimated that internationally there are between 20 million and 40 million people in modern slavery today."

"Human trafficking earns global profits of roughly $150 billion a year for traffickers, $99 billion of which comes from commercial sexual exploitation"

"Estimates suggest that about 50,000 people are trafficked into the US each year, most often from Mexico and the Philippines. "

>Society provides resources allowing the person to have the opportunity to not be leveraged into exploitation as their only option.

"In 2018, over half (51.6%) of the criminal human trafficking cases active in the US were sex trafficking cases involving only children"

https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-human-tr....

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Post by ryanmercer » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

postalrat wrote: post #160

bdcravens wrote: post #21

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This has been done before by others in response to credit card networks cutting the cord, and it never replaces the lost revenue.

The way things are going crypto may actually become a real currency and you would never need to convert to dollars. I don't own any crypto and never thought I'd be saying this so soon but things have changed a lot in the past 6 months.

>The way things are going crypto may actually become a real currency

Not as long as it continues to have insane electricity demands and bogs down when it receives even a fraction of the transactions in a given period that Visa or Mastercard processes routinely in an identical given period.

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Post by chucky » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 6:34 PM UTC

emteycz wrote: post #78

Daho0n wrote: post #72

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Definitely not the same "in Europe". Maybe in some of it (after all the two biggest countries in Europe is Russia and Ukraine). In Scandinavia unions work really well for the most part - at least extremely well compared to the US. It is one of the biggest reasons for the Scandinavian model.

I'd say "most of it", you're right that there are two countries where it seems to work at least a little - at great costs though, I have many Scandinavian colleagues (working in hi-tech fields) that left their country because of overregulation.

There's a survivorship bias here. Of course you are going to meet the people who left the country.

On the flip side, as a native Scandinavian I have many colleagues from outside of Scandinavia that moved here because of many of the things unions have accomplished - 25 days of paid vacation, a culture of working your 8 hours a day and not more than that, and a child care system that allows you to spend more time with your kids.

Re: Sex workers say 'defunding Pornhub' puts their livelihoods at risk

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Post by sweeneyrod » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 7:50 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #119

sweeneyrod wrote: post #69

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The porn that has existed since the dawn of time (I guess cave paintings) is qualitatively different from PornHub content. Arguably even there is even a qualitative difference from the situation even 15 years ago. Then, very few 10-year-olds would have had access to unlimited amounts of high definition hardcore porn; now probably the majority in developed countries can.

200 years ago, those 10 year olds would have seen their parents at it pretty regularly. 2000 years ago, they'd have seen everyone in the tribe with their partners.

I don't think this is true. "copulation normally conducted in privacy" is a human universal http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/2890/brownlisthumanuniversal...