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Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by CornCobs »

fomine3 wrote: post #158
dTal wrote: post #148

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Wouldn't that break rubber band selection? In list view you can click and drag anywhere to rubber band select, but if the whole row were an active click region for the file, you'd be dragging the file instead. (I just tried this in PcManFM, and it does indeed behave this way). I agree it's inelegant to have shorter file names be harder to select, but on the other hand they all have a great big icon; the text being cl…

On Windows Explorer, dragging on filename to drag the item, dragging on empty space to select range, and click/doubleclick on empty space is same as on filename. I think this is reasonable.

TIL. I've always wondered how to select range besides starting from totally empty space (below the rows). Never imagined so much thought needs to go into this!

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by pjmlp »

blihp wrote: post #101
squarefoot wrote: post #95

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I'd like to be optimistic wrt future software performance on this model as well. Linux isn't Android where user apps are written to run under a virtual machine and development has to deal with the Java monoculture (Android still doesn't have low latency audio for this exact reason). However, some Python apps that on a powerful desktop run at high speed might be taxed by the Pinephone comparatively slow hardware, so n…

C++ apps tax the Pinephone hardware. It's just not very fast vs user expectations today. More generally you can't just recompile desktop Linux apps on mobile and expect much in terms of responsiveness/battery life. While I'm with you re: not wanting to be stuck in a proprietary ecosystem, it does have one advantage: you must specifically target the platform in order to do much useful on it which typically includes pl…

I started coding in C++ back in 1992, with Turbo C++ 1.0 for MS-DOS, followed by Turbo C++ for Windows 3.1, with the Object Windows Library.

A 386SX running on 20 MHz with turbo mode on, with 2 MB RAM.

Something has gone quite wrong when the Pinephone hardware cannot keep up with C++ apps.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by black_puppydog »

dskleingeld wrote: post #139
black_puppydog wrote: post #93

I've been trying to run my pinephone (mobian) for more things. Since I work from home, this means mostly podcasts, and the occasional call. Well... calls don't work for me, but that might be my (secondary) SIM. I'll try it with the primary soon. Podcasts... I set up gPodder (while docked, because the UI doesn't adapt to the screen) and then use mpv to actually play the episodes which... is surprisingly usable. Next I…

regarding podcasts, I am getting a pinephone in a week or two and am building a podcast player as a side project. It is the first gui/app I have ever made and currently it cant even play anything, that is when it compiles, but if you take a look in 2 weeks I might have something (ugly and) functional. https://github.com/dskleingeld/pods

This looks exactly like what I would do, if I had any bandwidth to spare. I'll be watching this space. :P

I did look at the different frameworks/libs on areweguiyet.com and also arrived at iced at the beginning. Have you tried actually compiling this for arm64 yet? I don't see the target set in the project itself, but I usually set it in `.cargo/config`

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by Fnoord »

oriesdan wrote: post #9

For the record, I received yesterday the new mainboard that will be in those phones to replace the one of my pinephone UBport edition. The boost in RAM (3gb instead of 2gb) does the trick for me, allowing to use firefox. Not to the point that the experience is even close to android, but at least usable (before that, I used elinks on the phone). The system I use (mobian/phosh) still feels sluggish, but I suspect it's…

Elinks has known vulnerabilities in JavaScript (Spidermonkey) and possibly other parts. It is abandonware, and should not be used. You could use a terminal, mosh, and Browsh, allowing you to use Firefox remotely.

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Post by Fnoord »

criddell wrote: post #132
qwertox wrote: post #41

I could fall in love with such a phone. One where I can easily run Python processes inside screen sessions, which gather GPS and other sensor data for rapid prototyping, stream that data over a WebSocket connection, then some Bluetooth stuff in Go. Computing stuff.

Did you ever get a chance to play with the Nokia Python phone? It was pre-iPhone days, but it looked very promising. https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=148064

Back in 2006 you could run Python on Maemo. Which, true, was neither a phone nor smartphone. However, a little bit later they released the Nokia N900 and the Nokia N9.

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Post by p4bl0 »

troyvit wrote: post #98
p4bl0 wrote: post #22

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You can have desktops that you can switch between in KDE. How are activities different from workspaces? I've never really used any of the two.

Activities are like a new set of workspaces for you to switch to. Like let's say you use your laptop for work and for fun at home. At work you use 4 workspaces and plain desktop backgrounds and conky to watch processes. Then when you punch out at work and want to relax you want just one workspace with cycling wallpapers or whatever. You can set up a "work" activity that fits those needs and then a "home" activity tha…

Okay so as I understand it: virtual desktops are additional space that add screen space that you can jump to ; workspaces are like a more malleable version of virtual desktops ; and activities are an additional dimension on top of that with which you can switch between different virtual desktops and/or workspaces configurations.

Thanks :).

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Post by linmob »

jhardy54 wrote: post #68
oriesdan wrote: post #30

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Nope, there's no option for that in phosh settings. Actually, it's the compositor (phoc) that starts gnome-session in /usr/bin/phosh. I've just tried to edit the startup script to launch gnome-session directly, but it would refuse to start. It's also a pure wayland system, so it's quite unlike what we're used on desktop.

> It's also a pure wayland system, so it's quite unlike what we're used on desktop. When you say "pure", do you mean "no XWayland"?

All Phosh distributions I’ve come across have Xwayland.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by swiley »

oriesdan wrote: post #24
swiley wrote: post #18

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Supposedly improvements in hardware acceleration have changed this but IME a window manager with no compositing is way faster than phosh. I use fluxbox and on that firefox scrolls in real time for example.

Thanks for mentioning it. How does fluxbox works on mobile? Is it basically the same than the desktop on a small resolution, or it can receive phone calls and have a notification bar?

Yes, which means you can actually see the windows for things running in the background which can be nice when your eg reading something from firefox while writing an email. All the phone stuff is handled by chatty and calls, notifications are handled by libnotify, alert sounds are handled by feedbackd etc.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by linmob »

kop316 wrote: post #16
oriesdan wrote: post #9

For the record, I received yesterday the new mainboard that will be in those phones to replace the one of my pinephone UBport edition. The boost in RAM (3gb instead of 2gb) does the trick for me, allowing to use firefox. Not to the point that the experience is even close to android, but at least usable (before that, I used elinks on the phone). The system I use (mobian/phosh) still feels sluggish, but I suspect it's…

> It's especially interesting because someone from Plasma mobile team told on HN the other day that they support MMS. I'm curious about this too, as I explicitly tried plasma mobile on several distros (PostmarketOS, Manjaro, KDE Neon), and MMS did not work for me at all. It seems to work on the ofono stack, which seems to be closer to supporting MMS versus ModemManger + Chatty, but I'd love to hear from that same per…

IIRC (not a MMS user, it never took off in Germany) MMS requires provider/carrier specific settings (e.g. a special MMS APN) to be set, meaning that it may not work for you even though it’s properly implemented.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by linmob »

dskleingeld wrote: post #139
black_puppydog wrote: post #93

I've been trying to run my pinephone (mobian) for more things. Since I work from home, this means mostly podcasts, and the occasional call. Well... calls don't work for me, but that might be my (secondary) SIM. I'll try it with the primary soon. Podcasts... I set up gPodder (while docked, because the UI doesn't adapt to the screen) and then use mpv to actually play the episodes which... is surprisingly usable. Next I…

regarding podcasts, I am getting a pinephone in a week or two and am building a podcast player as a side project. It is the first gui/app I have ever made and currently it cant even play anything, that is when it compiles, but if you take a look in 2 weeks I might have something (ugly and) functional. https://github.com/dskleingeld/pods

Nice! May I add it to https://linmobapps.frama.io?

WRT to podcasts in general: Gnome Podcasts (not packaged in Mobian) is ok, and Rhythmbox (which is kinda adapted for phones), has podcast support too (with Apple Podcasts directory search).

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