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Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by amelius »

hutzlibu wrote: post #97
kleiba wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in the C64 days - I still can't get my head around the fact that you need 3gb of RAM because 2gb is not enough to run a webbrowser these days. I know that what's going on on a typical website these days requires an enormous amount of computational power, but I mean, come on. That shouldn't be the explanation, it's part of the problem.

I did not know, that in C64 days you had a browser, with x WebAPIs to do various networking stuff, p2p, soundAPI, database, payment processing, complex - hardware accelerated styling and composite of layout, plattform irrelevant assembler subset, with a integrated IDE etc. etc. A Webbrowser these days is simply much, much more than a static document viewer, despite this might be, what you want it to be.

Not to mention video.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by dingdingdang »

heavyset_go wrote: post #125
blihp wrote: post #76

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As you noticed, it's not just a RAM issue. The problem is that Linux GUI and apps generally expect laptop/desktop-ish levels of hardware capabilities because that's what they were developed on/for. You're literally running the same code base that the x86 versions run, just recompiled for ARM. Most mobile SoCs, especially the ones that are Linux-friendly in terms of being open enough to be viable, are not even remotel…

I have an old 32-bit machine from like 2005 with 2GB of memory running MATE Desktop that Firefox sails on, and that you can open several tabs on without it being a problem.

Yeah, it's obviously software related issues ... rather than having so many different distros running on it, it would be far more impressive to me if there was an demonstrable clear focus on improving performance!!

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by wayvey »

criddell wrote: post #132
qwertox wrote: post #41

I could fall in love with such a phone. One where I can easily run Python processes inside screen sessions, which gather GPS and other sensor data for rapid prototyping, stream that data over a WebSocket connection, then some Bluetooth stuff in Go. Computing stuff.

Did you ever get a chance to play with the Nokia Python phone? It was pre-iPhone days, but it looked very promising. https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=148064

Pretty much all their Symbian S60 phones ran a version of Python called PyS60. Fun times, I used to play with it a lot.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by ptx »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #131
kleiba wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in the C64 days - I still can't get my head around the fact that you need 3gb of RAM because 2gb is not enough to run a webbrowser these days. I know that what's going on on a typical website these days requires an enormous amount of computational power, but I mean, come on. That shouldn't be the explanation, it's part of the problem.

It’s interesting because the original iPhone from 2007 managed pretty well with a half a gigabyte of RAM (or was it a quarter?).

An eighth (128 MB) in fact, according to Wikipedia. The original Galaxy S had 512 MB though.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by 2bitencryption »

johnchristopher wrote: post #13

I love KDE, it's been my daily driver since I had to reinstall a desktop in a hurry and my awesome-wm config was too old. Dolphin et gwenview are speed killers (I love Gnome's ethos but Nautilus is a snail and is missing many features I use hourly). Can the KDE pinephone be used as handheld computer for reading PDF, taking pictures, scanning bills and invoices, media player and that kind of things ? I am not ready to…

The UX of Dolphin is my least favorite part of KDE.

I don't like how, in list view, the clickable portion of a file/folder is only as large as that file/folder's text label.

In all other "list view" UX I've ever used, the entire row is selectable, but in Dolphin, files with shorter names are harder to click because the clickable area is as big as the name...

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by ben-schaaf »

jcun4128 wrote: post #128
blendergeek wrote: post #73

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> Does anyone here have experience with actually using the pinephone as a daily driver? I do. I have been using my pmOS edition as my daily driver since the day i gott it. > Just curious if this phone is actually competitive with android devices in the same price class. That depends on your needs. It is not going to have any of the proprietary app that are on Android. So, what works? - Camera: stills only - Phone cal…

> Camera: stills only Are you saying it can't record video? Curious what kind of stuff you've installed. I'm assuming I can do `$dpkg -i package.deb` and it will work?

Yes, it can't record video yet.

> I'm assuming I can do `$dpkg -i package.deb` and it will work?

Well, not on PostmarketOS as that's based on Alpine Linux. Mobian on the other hand is based on debian so you can dpkg to your heart's content.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by flubert »

hutzlibu wrote: post #97
kleiba wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in the C64 days - I still can't get my head around the fact that you need 3gb of RAM because 2gb is not enough to run a webbrowser these days. I know that what's going on on a typical website these days requires an enormous amount of computational power, but I mean, come on. That shouldn't be the explanation, it's part of the problem.

I did not know, that in C64 days you had a browser, with x WebAPIs to do various networking stuff, p2p, soundAPI, database, payment processing, complex - hardware accelerated styling and composite of layout, plattform irrelevant assembler subset, with a integrated IDE etc. etc. A Webbrowser these days is simply much, much more than a static document viewer, despite this might be, what you want it to be.

I wonder if we could grade how much better a current system is vs something like the QNX 1.44MB demo disk.

http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by dTal »

2bitencryption wrote: post #145
johnchristopher wrote: post #13

I love KDE, it's been my daily driver since I had to reinstall a desktop in a hurry and my awesome-wm config was too old. Dolphin et gwenview are speed killers (I love Gnome's ethos but Nautilus is a snail and is missing many features I use hourly). Can the KDE pinephone be used as handheld computer for reading PDF, taking pictures, scanning bills and invoices, media player and that kind of things ? I am not ready to…

The UX of Dolphin is my least favorite part of KDE. I don't like how, in list view, the clickable portion of a file/folder is only as large as that file/folder's text label. In all other "list view" UX I've ever used, the entire row is selectable, but in Dolphin, files with shorter names are harder to click because the clickable area is as big as the name...

Wouldn't that break rubber band selection? In list view you can click and drag anywhere to rubber band select, but if the whole row were an active click region for the file, you'd be dragging the file instead. (I just tried this in PcManFM, and it does indeed behave this way).

I agree it's inelegant to have shorter file names be harder to select, but on the other hand they all have a great big icon; the text being clickable too is just icing.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by jcun4128 »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #146
jcun4128 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Camera: stills only Are you saying it can't record video? Curious what kind of stuff you've installed. I'm assuming I can do `$dpkg -i package.deb` and it will work?

Yes, it can't record video yet. > I'm assuming I can do `$dpkg -i package.deb` and it will work? Well, not on PostmarketOS as that's based on Alpine Linux. Mobian on the other hand is based on debian so you can dpkg to your heart's content.

Yeah that's fair sorry I was under the "KDE/Neon" pretense, I did briefly check that out seems like it is related to Debian or at least able to use .deb... I'm hoping. At least there is the Mobian as you mentioned.

Re: PinePhone KDE Community Edition is now available

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Post by blihp »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #116
blihp wrote: post #107

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Definitely... that's part of the reason I chime in when this topic comes up. Having done both Linux and mobile development, I don't believe that the entirety of the answer is going to be 'just throw a more powerful SoC in the device'. Sure, that will help to a degree in some areas but there is a lot of work that has been put into iOS and Android to achieve a balance between battery life and performance that most deve…

UBports relies on 2014-era Ubuntu-specific software that even Ubuntu moved away from. Consequently, I expect a lot of UBports to bit-rot before its maintainers can make it a reliable and competitive option. Mobian's stack isn't what I would have liked (it is a lot of unoptimized GNOME libs), but at least it seems to have enough corporate backing for development to keep going.

Yeah, both projects have their challenges. It's been good to see them, as well as the Librem developers, working with each other to advance their respective projects where it makes sense.

Just curious, what corporate backing are you referring to? I hadn't heard that before.

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