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You cannot die, Highlander! You are immortal!
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Time and place, my dude. You might as well start picketing outside of the man's wake. It's rude to trample on the emotions of people who are mourning together.
Nah, sorry, that is no excuse. He made these decisions. This is the legacy he intended, with his own volition. If you do something like go on national press and unapologetically endorse spousal abuse (which absolutely invites and encourages other abusers and leads to real harm), and you double down on this and never apologize or retract it, then you absolutely deserve for it to be constantly brought up as a defining…
Merchant Navy, milkman, nude model, lifeguard, truck driver, bricklayer, boxer, bodybuilder, street brawler (he once beat a gang of four while hanging out with Michael Caine, and another time, he defeated six people in a street fight.) ... ... and, finally, backstage maintenance worker at the King’s Theatre in Edinburgh. The rest is history.- A 20th century icon.- RIP.-
Don’t forget he was also an unapologetic advocate of spousal abuse, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mzXkbJwrN38
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And those descendants will be viewed in horror by their descendants in turn, when they prove that plants have sentience and thoughts.
I’m sorry, but this comment is in bad faith. Plants do no have brains, they do not emote or feel pain. Someone will chime in with a "well actually ..." no doubt, but to ascribe any form of equivalence between plants and animals in this way is a bad faith argument. And more to the point: our descendants horror will be that we knew we were causing the suffering of living beings and yet we did it anyway.
Science says plant feel & can hear esp. whilst being eaten by insect or are cut.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pa...
It's also proven that plants communicate with one another, and can share nutrients with one another, even warn nearby plants to get ready for attacks.
https://www.livescience.com/1909-plants-communicate-warn-dan...
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Some morals aren't as modern as people make them out to be when making this argument. Also interesting to use a quote from a man responsible for starving millions of innocents in a debate about morality, but that's neither here nor there.
> innocents Not people? I'd hate to be referred to as 'an innocent'. --- To address the main point, history is full of this. I mean, try quoting Mother Theresa and see what people will say then. We _could_ try to cleanse history of all memorable quotes written or spoken by people who have don't have a clean track record in morality (whatever that actually is at a certain point in time) but I don't think we'd be left…
>To address the main point, history is full of this.
I agree, but I do feel it is relevant to acknowledge the portions of someone's legacy that aren't clean. The quote in isolation is a fair and fine one, I suppose. I would show more restraint in bringing up the cursory comment on Churchill if the context of the thread was something else entirely.
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> Even if Connery did publicly retract or apologise, for example, how many people would try to seek that out if all they saw was the original video in isolation? Once a criminal, always a criminal? See: Dan Harmon's apology which so easily disproves this :) In the case of Connery, it would have been easy for him to push his PR people to publicly denounce the video, do a few interviews, and donate some token sum of a…
I'm not sure I agree with you on the thing about reform and community. I don't want to sound unfair but 'community' this way reminds me of how 'family' is often used as a blunt instrument too. You're powerless against the larger group (or the mob) and their expectations, which are ever changing. Reform is quite a strong word (with strong authoritarian connotations) and I do wonder what the reaction would be if the pr…
It's interesting that you went to that place when the TL;DR of my post is:
Can you really become a better person if you haven't attempted to undo harm you caused? If you have changed, part of that change is acknowledging that you harmed people, and how those actions were harmful. You can't acknowledge that you have harmed people, and then handwave that harm by ignoring it, and still say you are a changed person.
It's inherent to self-improvement that you would want to undo the harm that you have caused, if you understand it.
And if you don't, then can you be said to have improved?
Whenever someone of this stature goes, I tend to gather together their films, what I have of them, and work through them. So here I am looking at Outland (which isn't as terrible as Harlan Ellison said but goodness it isn't great), Zardoz , In the Name of the Rose , The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (it's fun, I will grant it that), Time Bandits and was left wondering: what films had his iconic performances? What…
Finding Forrester has I think perhaps his greatest performance.