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Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by timvisee »

dmix wrote: post #166
timvisee wrote: post #159

Sad! Developer of `ffsend` here. I've built `ffsend` as CLI tool for Send to securely share files from the command line. It has been a great success! Thanks Mozilla, for building and providing this amazing service! For the interested: https://github.com/timvisee/ffsend I'm currently hosting a public Send instance myself so ffsend keeps working. Let's see how long I can keep this going (and funded). It's available at…

Was this shutting down as surprising and out-of-left-field to yourself as someone more closely connected to the project, as it seems to me?

Pretty much. They suddenly took it down for 'maintenance'. The relaunch was delayed. Mozilla released a statement on laying off 250 employees. That's when I figured it wouldn't come back online again.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by f1refly »

mav3rick wrote: post #72
taneq wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a feature, not a bug. People can send things privately to you. It's important, therefore, to verify who you're talking to. Maybe instead of blaming it on the lack of server-side malware scans (which are always easily defeated) they could blame it on lack of an appropriate way to build a framework of trust between endpoints?

You're assuming the good case of people sending naive users a virus. But think of two consenting parties sharing cp or something else. It's a legal hell hole.

Why would it be mozillas fault? If someone sends cp via snailmail, will the postal service get sued?

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by CJefferson »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #100
rvba wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all their "side projects" look like greenfields used by the project teams to boost their CVs so they can land better jobs. Those teams know very well that those projects have no use case, but they dont care. Foundation does not care either, since it is busy with increasing own remuneration and politics. Meanwhile their core product lost around 10 percentage points of market share (from 15% marketshare to 5%):…

> Recently they shipped Firefox for android that feels like alpha version. It is even unclear why did they ship it, they could have waited. Apart from extensions requiring whitelisting, how is it worse than the old mobile FF? I didn't notice any new bugs and it fixed the issues I had with the address bar hiding being fickle.

I've had many bugs since the URL bat went to the bottom -- it crashes on some websites and often has multi-second hangs. I had to go back to chrome (I will try it again in a month, and hope it has improved, as I prefer Firefox).

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by tennineeight »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #100
rvba wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all their "side projects" look like greenfields used by the project teams to boost their CVs so they can land better jobs. Those teams know very well that those projects have no use case, but they dont care. Foundation does not care either, since it is busy with increasing own remuneration and politics. Meanwhile their core product lost around 10 percentage points of market share (from 15% marketshare to 5%):…

> Recently they shipped Firefox for android that feels like alpha version. It is even unclear why did they ship it, they could have waited. Apart from extensions requiring whitelisting, how is it worse than the old mobile FF? I didn't notice any new bugs and it fixed the issues I had with the address bar hiding being fickle.

Tab ordering is messed up. Tab scrolling is bugged. Everything from before requires more taps than before. Pages randomly render blank. Normal and private mode gets stuck and next intent tab is opened on whatever mode was explicitly opened before.

I would count the bullshit extension whitelist as the single biggest regression. But it is not new, so its not counted as such anymore?

The worst part, I will still be using Firefox because of my principles. Mozilla knows that userbase like me isn't leaving, and those unlike me aren't staying. It doesn't matter how big of a screwup they cause next time. The writing is already on the wall.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by laurent123456 »

CodesInChaos wrote: post #100
rvba wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all their "side projects" look like greenfields used by the project teams to boost their CVs so they can land better jobs. Those teams know very well that those projects have no use case, but they dont care. Foundation does not care either, since it is busy with increasing own remuneration and politics. Meanwhile their core product lost around 10 percentage points of market share (from 15% marketshare to 5%):…

> Recently they shipped Firefox for android that feels like alpha version. It is even unclear why did they ship it, they could have waited. Apart from extensions requiring whitelisting, how is it worse than the old mobile FF? I didn't notice any new bugs and it fixed the issues I had with the address bar hiding being fickle.

They made simple workflows more complicated, removed features and move UI elements around for no apparent reason.

Weirdest thing is how they moved the address bar to the bottom of the screen. You can put it back to the top of the screen but it's like - why?

There was a useful list of most frequently visited sites on the homepage, which they've decided to remove.

Opening a new tab or a favourite now requires at least two taps (one on top of the screen, and the second at the bottom), or one long press, while it required only one tap before.

With their experience in software development, Mozilla should now that users mostly hate changes, although we can be fine with it when there are improvements too. But in this case, there's no improvements as far as I could see, just random changes to the UI, a few things worse, a few things different for no reason, but nothing better.

Overall it gives very little confidence in what they're doing. It seems there's no leadership or overall vision at Mozilla, just random teams making random changes just for fun.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by veddox »

brunoqc wrote: post #121
nickjj wrote: post #118

This was a great service for transferring 1 off files between 2 people (such as 500mb wav files for podcast episodes which is what I used it for). As it turns out, you can get similar behavior with Dropbox. The person sending the file doesn't need a Dropbox account either. You just send them a URL and then they have permission to upload the file. The only extra step vs Firefox Send is you as the receiver need to dele…

The downside with Dropbox's way is that a lot of people using the link will think that they need to register an account. I think the link offers you to create one but it's not clear that it's not required.

So use Nextcloud instead ;-) You can link-share files and folders as read-only, write-only (i.e. upload drop), or read-and-write.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by fwn »

jfk13 wrote: post #128
natch wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were question marks along with the numbers. Clearly it’s a rhetorical device, presenting a reasonable speculation that matches the evidence (number of projects, and quality), as part of the natural flow of the writer making their point.

It wasn't a "reasonable speculation". More like pure fiction, simply intended to denigrate the target.

You criticised their guess as baseless just to follow up by denying their numbers without sources. Only one of you two chose to present a fact without backing it up.

There's also this gesture of assuming that the opponent is motivated by evil intentions, which is almost always wrong.

On topic though: Our conversation could really benefit from some actual numbers. I made a quick search but didn't find anything.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by angel_j »

Mozilla sucks at software. They are prescriptive, and always changing. They practice the worst of open source (give today, take tomorrow, user no choice, auto-updates), and they cannot keep up with enterprise in their own domain.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by maple3142 »

wodenokoto wrote: post #14

For transferring large files between machines that don’t necessarily have the same clients installed I find file.pizza quite convenient. My understanding is it basically loads a JavaScript BitTorrent client and let’s you transfer using that protocol, so both ends needs to be online, but there is no file size limit, and good support on flaky connections. There’s a few services like this, but I always find file.pizza t…

It works for small files, but not large files (several GB). I don't know why, but I have experienced unknown failure when transmitting large files.
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