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China is a horrific, authoritarian monster. I hope this century sees their vision checked and reduced back to the edges of humanity.
In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?
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In the last 40 years, while China lifted a billion people out of poverty, what evil did they commit that is even remotely comparable to what the US did in, say, Iraq?
A million muslims in concentration camps, for a start. Go away, propagandist troll.
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Americans didn't kill a million Iraqi people, the taliban and loads of other groups did.
> Americans didn't kill a million Iraqi people, the taliban and loads of other groups did. The Taliban killed approximately zero Iraqis (you may be confusing al-Qaeda with the Taliban, and the group that after the war temporarily adopted the name “al-Qaeda in Iraq”, before becoming the Islamic State—that erupted into a major force because of the American mismanagement of the post-invasion occupation, most notably the…
The Sino-British Joint Declaration was a mistake. What did they think would happen? If not now then what about in 2047?! Were they hoping that was enough time to warm the new generations to the idea of giving up their rights? There is no fixing this, but I appreciate the effort by the British. Many will not want to leave, understandably. But the threat of draining HK is an interesting sort of pressure to put on China…
The Sino-British Declaration is the only thing allowing UK to rationalize giving HKers this citizenship path Everything that has happened in HK so far conforms to the HK constitution as well as Beijing’s, whether it meets the spirit of the declaration or not
The Sino-British Joint Declaration was a mistake. What did they think would happen? If not now then what about in 2047?! Were they hoping that was enough time to warm the new generations to the idea of giving up their rights? There is no fixing this, but I appreciate the effort by the British. Many will not want to leave, understandably. But the threat of draining HK is an interesting sort of pressure to put on China…
During the 1967 protests in Hong Kong, the British killed enough protestors to quash it and pave the way for a new generation that accepted the situation. I wonder if that is the game plan China is following? They have given up on the current generation , and are now hoping the next generation will follow them?
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Sure. Regardless, legislative means were used, not force.
Legislative means we’re not used. China had no legal authority to do what they did... but no one will stop them. You are correct to point out that force was not used (n/m the divisions of tanks that have been on the border), and Taiwan is different.
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Taiwan and Hong Kong couldn’t be more different though. Hong Kong legislature (heavily influenced by China) passed this law (edit: this turns out not to be true). Hong Kong is already part of China. You don’t have 200km of water to cross against a country that’s prepared for just that. There’s no TSMC. If it’s a dry run for Taiwan, it’s a really shitty one.
This is factually incorrect. China's legislature amended Hong Kong's constitution to add the new national security law precisely because the Hong Kong legislature - even under heavy influence by mainland China - was unable to pass it.
For me there is no Hong Kong anymore. There is Xianggang city, Guangdong province.
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I think we should let the UK pay for its sins for a change. Setting up anything "autonomous" with its own laws and customs is a terrible idea. Assimilation should be a requirement for immigration.
The people of Hong Kong are "paying" a hell of a lot more than the British.