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Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by tomhoward »

hermitdev wrote: post #93
lyctc wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The footer's Payment Policy says: Monthly – $39 Annually – $399

$400 annually for a news site as a casual user? Fuck no. Edit: I mean, my wife's Netflix sub is on about $14/month, which we would use far more often than a random single website. About 3x a Netflix subscription for a single "news" site? I think they're dramatically overvalualing themselves.

> I think they're dramatically overvalualing themselves.

They've been in business for over 5 years and are now in the top 6000 sites in the U.S. [1]. For a deliberately-niche publication, they seem to be doing great.

[1] https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/theinformation.com

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by cglong »

lm2s wrote: post #169
bertman wrote: post #155

The article focuses on making calls, but moxie (from Signal) had this to say: "PushKit is the only way to do e2e encrypted messaging in iOS. If they take that away, they're disabling the ability for messaging apps to function with e2e encryption. I don't see how Apple can frame that as "enhancing user privacy and security?" " https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1158852855291269120 So it's not only about being able to an…

I don't understand this commentary by Moxie. Why does removing PushKit functionality removes the ability for apps to do E2EE? The only thing I can think of, is notifications maybe not being encrypted? But that seems like a bit of stretch to say you can't do E2EE messaging.

If the notifications aren't encrypted, then that means it gets decrypted on some server somewhere too :(

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by ideasRgood »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #101
hart_russell wrote: post #2

+1 to Apple's track record for user privacy. I do not regret switching from Android to iOS (even if siri is woefully behind the voice assistant game)

I've also switched, after my 1 year old Samsung S8 brick phone dropped to the floor one time too often. I'm not only enjoying the privacy, but also the classic, non-phablet form factor of a brand new iPhone 6s in 2019 and hope it will last me longer. Compared to Samsung's, my typing speed is up, but it's true that autocomplete suggestions are useless.

What privacy are you expecting? The FBI can crack your phone and each service you use stores data.

Don't fall for marketing.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by lm2s »

lm2s wrote: post #169
bertman wrote: post #155

The article focuses on making calls, but moxie (from Signal) had this to say: "PushKit is the only way to do e2e encrypted messaging in iOS. If they take that away, they're disabling the ability for messaging apps to function with e2e encryption. I don't see how Apple can frame that as "enhancing user privacy and security?" " https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1158852855291269120 So it's not only about being able to an…

I don't understand this commentary by Moxie. Why does removing PushKit functionality removes the ability for apps to do E2EE? The only thing I can think of, is notifications maybe not being encrypted? But that seems like a bit of stretch to say you can't do E2EE messaging.

After a quick research* , the conclusion I arrive at is that Moxie stretched the truth. Removing PushKit functionality does not removes the ability for apps to do E2EE messaging.

From what I understood: with PushKit, it's possible to send a signal notification to the app. The app then fetches and decrypts new messages and generates appropriate notifications locally.

This is also possible to do with regular (silent) Push Notifications. The key difference seems to be that they are low priority and might not be delivered (thus no notification will be generated), and with PushKit it would.

So AFAIK this seems to be more an UX issue.

* I might be understanding something incorrectly.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by lm2s »

cglong wrote: post #173
lm2s wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this commentary by Moxie. Why does removing PushKit functionality removes the ability for apps to do E2EE? The only thing I can think of, is notifications maybe not being encrypted? But that seems like a bit of stretch to say you can't do E2EE messaging.

If the notifications aren't encrypted, then that means it gets decrypted on some server somewhere too :(

That's not necessarily correct, it would depend of the implementation. See my reply.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by thepangolino »

lm2s wrote: post #175
lm2s wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this commentary by Moxie. Why does removing PushKit functionality removes the ability for apps to do E2EE? The only thing I can think of, is notifications maybe not being encrypted? But that seems like a bit of stretch to say you can't do E2EE messaging.

After a quick research* , the conclusion I arrive at is that Moxie stretched the truth. Removing PushKit functionality does not removes the ability for apps to do E2EE messaging. From what I understood: with PushKit, it's possible to send a signal notification to the app. The app then fetches and decrypts new messages and generates appropriate notifications locally. This is also possible to do with regular (silent) P…

Don't take my word for it but I believe that's the approach Telegrarm has.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by anonymousab »

utouq wrote: post #132
tjpnz wrote: post #80

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>Facebook engineers know exactly what is going on, and I don't think they actually care. I know of founders who would need to think carefully about even interviewing someone with Facebook on their resume. And I totally get these concerns given the attitude Facebook has towards the privacy of users.

What a witch hunt. This is akin to persecuting people for their politics.

Which is something people do. For example, you wouldn't hire someone who takes their politics to just-under-violent extremist levels, as it would be bad PR.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by realshowbiz »

reimertz wrote: post #121
codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I suggest people using https://mbasic.facebook.com . Messages work, no JavaScript, less noise.

Or bite the bullet and leave facebook. Your friends won’t vaporize.

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Post by amaccuish »

giovannibajo1 wrote: post #106
smallbigfish wrote: post #83

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That even today many European languages don't even have a basic dictionary. I'm not talking about the "guess the next word" feature. All I want is a dictionary that could suggest a correction to a misspelled word. Use two languages at once? No way! I guess they need to invent a new chip or something. Swipe to type? Hehe. The keyboard in itself is fast and good but it lacks features.

Typing in two languages works since iOS 11 (IIRC). I’m routinely typing in either English or Italian without ever manually switching language

Does anyone know of a third party keyboard that can support 4 languages? My Android did 3 + Russian just fine but I can't find anything similar for iOS.
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