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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by duaoebg » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 10:50 AM UTC

fit2rule wrote: post #156

roenxi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the last time that xenophobia was not stoped it cost over 80 million lives I assume you are referring to WWII - it is a strong assertion to claim that was a xenophobic war. The Nazis were xenophobic, but one suspects their driving motivations for actually doing something about it were economic. They were expanding because they famously thought they needed more space and resources, and the German economy prior to th…

What the 5-eyes nations are doing in the Middle East and parts of Asia is clearly based on xenophobia. The West are terrified that places like Libya, Iraq, Iran, Yemen .. Afghanistan .. Palestine .. will unite and create a dominant union in the region which shuts out Western influence entirely. And, indeed, these nations who might formerly have had a chance to create such a union, have xenophobic reasoning to do so.…

The idea that those countries could get along is hilarious.

And by Asian do you mean Pakistan as per British terminology?

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by FooHentai » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 10:54 AM UTC

darawk wrote: post #90

codingslave wrote: post #85

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I think there's more going on in our current society than is being discussed. What it is exactly, and why its happening, is really hard to tell. We cant see the forest from the trees. But I don't think its young men's fault, I think that things have gotten objectively worse for them. People are responding, and are increasingly responding with huge negativity. I think this has nothing to do with how they're raised, an…

I think it's essentially draws back to the incel/hikkomori phenomenon. You never see young men in relationships doing these kinds of things...whether it's a white right wing mass shooter or an Islamic suicide bombing. People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as h…

>People seem to want to pin these things on ideology, because that's the reason the perpetrators themselves give for what they do. But it seems more likely to me to be a reaction to a life they view as having no future, by which I mean no prospect of a successful romantic relationship with the opposite sex.

It's both. A combination of hopelessness for their future and an ideology that can be seized upon to fill that same void.

50 virgins in the afterlife is the simplest example of this. Whom might such a future appeal to? Not so much the successful family man, I think. But it's not the only ideology that fits the bill. If you can promise any kind of wider purpose to someone's life (e.g. save your race!) that'll inherently appeal to a portion of the people that feel their life lacks meaning. If that group gets bigger AND an ideology gets increasing mind-share, you get the phenomenon we're now experiencing.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by irvwash » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 10:58 AM UTC

zapita wrote: post #139

It was recently revealed that 8chan is funded primarily by selling sex tourism-themed audio books on Amazon. To my knowledge, Amazon has still not answered requests for comments, nor have they discontinued funding. Here's the article: https://popular.info/p/exclusive-how-money-flows-from-amazon

Jim Watkins owns a lot of things, including 2channel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2channel), a pig farm, and a VPS/VPN/webhosting provider. It's unlikely that those audiobooks are the biggest source of income.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by dgudkov » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:01 AM UTC

throwaway0129 wrote: post #12

My friends and I used to visit the *chan sites when we were younger. Sometimes the discussions there were good e.g. if you browse the exercise forums. But then one of my closest friends killed himself silently. That was when I realized that these sites are no jokes. Some of the people there have fallen so deep into the pit of hate and depression. Nowadays I don't even link nor share the name of the sites to my younge…

>My personal belief is that all of this is happening due to a lack of a proper father figure for boys growing up

Can't upvote this enough.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by HNLurker2 » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:02 AM UTC

9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #169

chvid wrote: post #15

Does anyone have an idea of how big 8chan and 4chan is in terms of users? Just from the visible activity in there I can see they must be massive. I think Slate is incorrect in describing them as expression of traditional neo-nazism. To me they are quite their own thing. Born out of Anime culture and gaming-culture becoming a playground for role playing, trash talking, trolling, real-life pranks degenerating into what…

4chan has been mainstream for very long now. Just check Alexa and similar sites for stats. But boards are on subdomain and and also nsfw boards are separated. I've seen young people so much browsing 4chan in public, also discussing it. I'm talking about school or university environment. When I was young and actually had time or will to take part if imageboards, I did it at home and secret. No one wanted to admit or m…

>When I was young and actually had time or will to take part if imageboards, I did it at home and secret. No one wanted to admit or mention it in public. Everything has changed now.

Because newfags ruined everything. 4chan used to be amazing, especially /b/ and their memes (I'm talking 2008is)

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by nairboon » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:03 AM UTC

puranjay wrote: post #6

What's even stranger to me is how "normal" mass shootings have become

They do occur on a regular basis

https://www.dayssincethelastmassshooting.com/history/

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by mieseratte » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:04 AM UTC

blueboo wrote: post #101

fwip wrote: post #23

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Yep - 8chan was started because even 4chan wasn't odious enough for them.

Or rather, the speech wasn’t “free” enough. > 8chan’s founder, Fredrick Brennan, created the site in response to what he sees as the ongoing and vast loss of free speech on the Internet. On 8chan, “anyone can say what they want and mean,” Brennan told the Daily Dot. > Brennan now calls 8chan a “free-speech-friendly 4chan alternative.” > He called 4chan “authoritarian” and accused it of turning into a soulless for-pro…

For every attempt at censorship there will be those that bristle at authoritarianism and react. Then there will be those that devolve into accusing free speech supporters as supporters of specific disagreeable speech.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by leereeves » Sun, Aug 04, 2019, 11:05 AM UTC

panpanna wrote: post #165

s9w wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only is there no connection between pro-gamergate and threats, it's literally the other way round. And Charlottesville has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever

Literally the first item on a DGG search: "How Charlottesville and Gamergate are Completely Related" Second item: "Matthew Robert Warner: From GamerGate to Identity Evropa"

The first item is an opinion piece from the very credible Xennial-in-Chief writing for brokeassstuart.com with no relevant facts.

The second is about one person who is literally the only connection IdentifyEvropa found between the two groups. And what was that connection? He tweeted a few tweets about it.

https://identifyevropa.org/tag/gamergate/

The lack of substantial links only provides evidence that there is no real connection.