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Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by FeepingCreature » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:26 AM UTC

simias wrote: post #118

ShorsHammer wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which if you read that "specific piece of text data" is the outcome the murderer wanted. They responded exactly how he desired.

Who cares about what that guy wanted or didn't want. The question is whether we should let people distribute his manifesto for the sake of freedom of expression or if we consider it to be dangerous and worthy of a ban. The opinion of the guy who committed this heinous crime is frankly irrelevant IMO. If I was to commit some atrocities tomorrow and write a pamphlet outlining my motive and calling for others to do the…

Eh, if a murderous white supremacist has a strategy we should at least ask if the strategy can work before we exactly play into it.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by hevi_jos » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:27 AM UTC

atemerev wrote: post #67

Western countries are becoming increasingly like China and Russia. UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, France, Germany, New Zealand... So far, only the US still holds some resemblance to “protecting the freedom of speech” — sure, copyright violators are pursued, but at least nobody is trying to censor the Internet... yet.

For your information, the one country that is pushing forward for more restrictions on Internet on the world is called "The United States of America".

All the copyright laws in Germany, France, Canada, New Zealand, UK and Australia, come after the US demands the change in law or else they will apply economic sanctions in commerce.

You probably live in the US and are under the influence of propaganda(like pronouncing constantly void phrases like "land of the freedom"). You should get out and live in another country for a while to get perspective.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by harshitaneja » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:30 AM UTC

GorgeRonde wrote: post #156

Dylan16807 wrote: post #138

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How long did the ePub error last?

Seems like it is gone now (you still have to juggle with DRMs though). However when it happened I searched for the error code and found some posts on Google forums. They were 6 months to 1 year old, with no provided solution.

When did this happen? Maybe it affected limited number of users. I use google play books all the time and this was never an issue for me.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by simonh » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:32 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #139

zeta0134 wrote: post #70

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4chan is a relatively popular anonymous image board, based on a Japanese language image board (2ch) but with mostly English language users. It's administration are known to be quite lax with content; if it's not outright illegal to host they'll generally let it slide in their NSFW boards. To use a recent example, their Adult GIF board right now, while flooded mostly with pornography, is currently housing uncensored f…

Blocking materials is the incorrect way to deradicalize people. I would further argue that by blocking it, the material is made to seem more scarce, and even more desirable for those who would otherwise not have been interested if it hadn't been blocked! Outreach from social workers and societal safety net is the best way to prevent radicalization. I see legalization of drugs as an example.

I think there are many good reasons to block that video that have nothing to do with radicalisation. For a start this is footage of the deaths of dozens of people who, along with their families, have a right to privacy.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by sampo » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:34 AM UTC

narag wrote: post #166

class4behavior wrote: post #152

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>(...) but more effective measures will follow if we don't change the political willingness to withhold knowledge from the masses. The EU just passed the directive for the new copyright package which further cements the status quo (the two often mentioned articles are just the worst of it), so don't expect any progress if people don't start to elect more progressive politicians. The projections for the EU election sh…

I don't know about other countries, but in Spain the left wing is the best friend of the copyright lobby.

Also from Finland, the left wing (Social Democrat, Left Alliance) MEPs voted in favor of Article 13 recently.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by andrepd » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:37 AM UTC

cpeters10 wrote: post #151

vanderZwan wrote: post #142

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> Those 2 libraries are the closest thing to the modern internet equivalent of the "Library of Alexandria". I hope they don't manage to burn in down. This just reminds of how in the late nineties and early 2000s we used to have torrent sites for music enthusiasts with an archive of all the different versions, editions, bootlegs, all painstakingly added and catalogued, representing tens if not hundreds of man-hours wo…

Perhaps someone should painstakingly make a catalog of the internal web stacks of SV companies for people who love code. I'm sure that "library of Alexandria" would be burned quite quickly.

Thus, but unironically.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Mediterraneo10 » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:39 AM UTC

Funes- wrote: post #167

Access to knowledge should be open and free. Especially if it has been produced by an institution that receives public funding.

Note that not just Sci-Hub but Libgen was blocked as well. Libgen hosts academic works, sure, but it also hosts literature, including popular literature like everyone’s favourite science-fiction and fantasy series, children’s books, etc. So, the "access to knowledge should be open and free; the public might have paid for it anyway" isn’t a suitable defense of it here. As a big fan of Libgen who has scanned and uploaded many books myself, I would rather take an overall position against copyright in general, regardless of whether the text matches what people think of as "knowledge" or not.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by codedokode » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

> Also, a request for a specific IP-address block was denied. The court sided with the ISPs, who argued that they should have the freedom to choose their own blocking method, including DNS blocking. That does mean, however, that the ISPs will also have to bear the costs.

There are several issues that make blocking a website ineffective:

- if you intercept and replace DNS responses for these sites then users with DNS-over-HTTPS or DNS-over-TCP will bypass the block. So let's promote using DoH/DoT and enabling it by default instead of relying on ISP's DNS servers.

- if you examine the domain name in SSL Server Hello message then the site can switch to TLS 1.3 where it is encrypted.

- if you resolve domain names and block access to those IPs automatically without human review then the owner of the blocked site can block any other site by adding its IP address to their DNS server. This can be funny, and we had such cases in Russia.

- if you resolve domain names not very often, for example once every day, then the owner of the site can avoid blocking by regularly changing IP address.

Let me give a hint to French court: ordering the search engines and advertisement companies to stop dealing with the site is much more effective.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by Not_a_pizza » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

harshitaneja wrote: post #173

GorgeRonde wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it is gone now (you still have to juggle with DRMs though). However when it happened I searched for the error code and found some posts on Google forums. They were 6 months to 1 year old, with no provided solution.

When did this happen? Maybe it affected limited number of users. I use google play books all the time and this was never an issue for me.

Here we are in the "age of information" and there is still no way to distinguish between the shill and/or troll and the genuine information provider. Glorious.

This age of electronics and logic and AI should have been able to provide a reasonable benefit to consumers at the very bottom. Instead, corporations have found new ways to rig things, impersonate people, and generally be dishonest about the quality and effectiveness of their offerings.

Re: French ISPs Ordered to Block Sci-Hub and LibGen

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Post by dunefox » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 10:44 AM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #20

solstice wrote: post #4

Why do the French have such a hard-on for copyright enforcement? (Honest question)

The French really love their language, traditional publishers continue to publish in French whereas new-tech is more often in English or other languages. So I'd argue that the French have a love-affair with traditional publishing, and traditional publishing loves draconian copyright rules. The whole thing is almost a culture war for the French people's soul by-proxy.

> The French really love their language

Well, someone has to.