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To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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I'd hate walking everywhere, having to get tiny amounts of groceries every day instead of stocking up every 2 weeks, etc. Walking/standing all day at conventions feels like death and a half a mile trip to the fast food places around here turns from 2 minutes to 10 minutes if I walk, which I tried when someone from Europe said that's walking distance. Walking such distances just makes me constantly wish I was driving…

To correct some misinformation: Medium-intensity exercise (e.g., jogging) for weight loss has been debunked. Long-duration, low-intensity exercise (e.g., walking) or high-intensity exercise (e.g., interval sprints) will both lead to weight loss. Most people don't have time for the former (unless it's part of their lives, i.e. they walk a lot in a city), so if your goal is weight loss, skip the jogging and look at HII…

Do you have a source for the exercise claims? That article pocket recommended me seemed to imply the contrary for walking.

I don't mind walking my dog for a while or going on trails, but walking all the time for practical reasons doesn't register as fun for me. Additionally it seems like walking on concrete/asphalt strains my feet a lot faster than dirt/grass.

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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> US car manufacturers are doubling down on large trucks and SUVs Manufacturers are building lots of SUVs because this is what people in the US prefer to buy. If manufacturers build tons of subcompacts instead they would have to drop prices and probably sell those subcompacts at a loss. If you wanted to sell more small cars instead you should convince consumers to buy them (e.g., via end user incentives), which would…

I know several people who, like myself, used to drive small pickups and now drive midsize ones. We would prefer to drive small ones, but they don't make them anymore. Among people who are willing to restore old vehicles, some small trucks are becoming classics.

They can't sell small trucks in the US because of the Chicken Tax:

https://fee.org/articles/chicken-tax-makes-trucks-expensive-...

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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> the US went to the other extreme and is only slowly turning around. US car manufacturers are doubling down on large trucks and SUVs and the current administration continues to thwart progress on tackling climate change and other societal concerns. I would say the US, at least on a macro level, is still on the "other extreme" path.

Actually its a cycle. The cost of gas goes up, and people scramble to get more fuel efficient cars. Gas does down and they want larger utility vehicles. Toyota made out like crazy when gas prices went through the roof in the early 2000's. They were already manufacturing the Prius and once gas prices went over $3-$4/gallon, people suddenly started buying motorcycles, started biking more and started buying Prius' in dr…

Yep, and in a democratic nation, anyone who tries to add high taxes causing their large cars to be much more expensive to own and operate will be voted out, so the only thing that can really stop them is when the price of fuel is forced up by sheer lack of supply.

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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Improving life in cities is a matter of fixing existing problems, like poor public transport and pollution from combustion engines and heating. Building a "feel good" fantasy around the hatred of cars isn't going to improve anything, it'll just replace the current best choice for individual transport with something inferior, as well as destroy the economy (which depends on roads for logistics and public services).

I wish my city was capable of fixing problems, instead they have a knack for making things worse. Right now I take a bus to a transit centre, then another bus to work. This works well for me. There is a new LRT (Light Rail Transit) line under construction with a station in walking distance from my house. The LRT line will go to downtown, but not to my work. So I will take a train downtown, then a bus or another train…

What about moving ?

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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> the US went to the other extreme and is only slowly turning around. US car manufacturers are doubling down on large trucks and SUVs and the current administration continues to thwart progress on tackling climate change and other societal concerns. I would say the US, at least on a macro level, is still on the "other extreme" path.

And yet not a pip when the new governor of California, Gavin Newsom announced that the high speed rail projects there will be scaled back, markedly.[1] [2] Between Los Angeles and San Francisco, no less ! Atleast not from these pro high-density living and pro urban transit folks. I don't get how you pick and choose what you'd like to criticize and what you'd like to champion on one side and what you conveniently igno…

Unfortunately, he was right here, because that project was hopelessly overpriced. Yes, we badly need HSR in America, but the prices they're talking about are completely ridiculous.

What we really need to do is just hire the Japanese to build HSR for us, because we obviously can't do it ourselves.

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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Many, including myself, still are. We like to be around our own and no amount of school-age propaganda and government force will change that!

I find it unfortunate that you aren't behaving bravely enough to post your real identifying information. Such a move is neither supreme, nor representative of an overlord.

Downvoters, wouldn't you like to know who the avowed racist is?

I for one wouldn't want them near by company -- we work with a lot of clients of color, and that's a bad look.

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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Where does the difficulty lie? I lived in SF fine with a toddler, taking public transit to local places.

1 kid who does not have his own schedule is relatively easy to manage. 5 kids who need to be in different places is more difficult.

Five kids is an edge case. Besides, it's impossible to shuttle five kids to different places simultaneously by car without five parents. Not so with good public transit.

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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Or you know people that value their time... For me to use Public Transport here would increase my commute time to work by order of magnitude, not to mention all the places I go weekly that is not on a public transit stop or would require multiple line hops and be many times more time consuming than if I just drove directly their in my own personal vehicle Public transport only works in area with High Population Densi…

I can't imagine how bad public transport must be to increase your commute time by an order of magnitude . I use public transport precisely because I value my time - it takes longer(around x1.5) than using a car, but that time is relaxing, can be used to read a book, listen to a podcast or just order your thoughts. Time spent in a car is stressful and requires your focus and attention. I'm not sure what kind of popula…

Not really bad public transport, but we have no traffic.

For me to go to work on the bus route I have to go pretty far away from my home to then work my way back due to the way the bus route flows.

or I can get in my car, drive to 10 mins traffic free, and be a work

Around here people use Public Transport because they have no other means of travel, not because on congestion or anything else

Re: To build the cities of the future, we must get out of our cars

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I'd hate walking everywhere, having to get tiny amounts of groceries every day instead of stocking up every 2 weeks, etc. Walking/standing all day at conventions feels like death and a half a mile trip to the fast food places around here turns from 2 minutes to 10 minutes if I walk, which I tried when someone from Europe said that's walking distance. Walking such distances just makes me constantly wish I was driving…

Let me guess, you can't possibly be in shape !
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