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The $2M Urinal: Why Hard Work Doesn’t Cut It (2018)
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#172Seth Godin has a great line about how the first person to put a urinal in an art museum was an artist, but the second person to do it was a plumber. It makes an interesting thought experiment about what makes art, what it means to be "creative", and how the world may (or may not) appreciate your work...
Its the common conversation "I could have done that" "But you didn't do that"
Most things are easy to copy, coming up with the idea in the first place is the hard part.
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#173Hmmm.
For me, "art = networks" looks a lot like "art = bullshit".
That plus speculative bubbles.
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#174Whenever people discuss about contemporary art I get reminded of these incredibly poignant Soviet war paintings [1] which manage to partially describe what the atrocities on the Eastern Front meant for the people involved, but which are nevertheless a lot less well-known compared to contemporary art "darlings" like Jackson Pollock whose works don't tell me absolutely anything and who had his career propped up by the…
Not even a Pollock fan but the idea that a scan of a Pollock painting is at all similar to standing in front of one seems like a huge stretch. They absolutely huge and the paint is layered on very thick in a way that almost forces you to deconstruct the process of its production as you look at it. This other painting on the other hand, I'd be very surprised if there's more to be gotten from seeing it in person that w…
> a photo that captures the same emotions...
Your comment hits on something many people miss. We have photos today. We didn’t in the very recent past. I showed my grandma (96) photos on an iPad and her response was “there’s no reason to paint anymore”. She’s painted her entire life. Artists used to struggle to invent techniques for representing reality, now photos have made that less compelling and artists are looking for other challenges.
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#175> it’s based on little more than mutual belief in one another crypto-coins are an abstraction over art commodities. Devoid of any specific meaning, they are valued according to pure belief. One is justified at any time to purchase them and they are unique. They can be interpreted to have almost any meaning. maybe they should be considered works of art themselves.
One can find an appraiser to value one's fine art at 10x what one paid for it just prior to donating it to a museum. It then provides tax reduction in excess of the purchase price, and so there can be a logical expectation of positive ROI at time of purchase.
I'm not aware of any analog with cryptocoins. They suffer a fatal flaw of having a clear market value.
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#176Whenever people discuss about contemporary art I get reminded of these incredibly poignant Soviet war paintings [1] which manage to partially describe what the atrocities on the Eastern Front meant for the people involved, but which are nevertheless a lot less well-known compared to contemporary art "darlings" like Jackson Pollock whose works don't tell me absolutely anything and who had his career propped up by the…
So, I personally get an emotional response to Pollock, especially that particular one, I actually have a MoMA catalog on my bookshelf with that entry bookmarked with my admission ticket from 2010 when I went to see it ( https://imgur.com/a/hFBR7Nu ). The size is a factor as well, there is no way to look at it on a computer screen that is close to how you look at it in person ( https://www.moma.org/wp/inside_out/wp-co…
I went to the Pollock's Wikipedia page and at first thought that the photo of his studio floor was one of his paintings.
Apparently, this is considered a very good result for abstract paintings: "Throughout the experiments, the students typically picked the professional pieces between 60% and 70% of the time."
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/03/1...
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
One thing to consider is that being a case of the emperor's new clothes is intentional . Consider The Fountain again: The artist had the audacity to put a urinal in a gallery. It's not so much that this was a particularly lovely piece of ceramic (though some may think so). The point is the meta-awareness that urinals don't belong here . The rule-breaking is the art. The fact the emperor has no clothes is the exact re…
Art is the production of veblen goods. Duchamp, in his genius, realized that though the ability to buy something painfully handcrafted does signal wealth, buying literal garbage is a much better display of wealth. Someone who can afford to buy a meticulously painted portrait, well, one may be will willing to make sacrifices for beauty. Someone able to spend millions on literal garbage - now that is a rich man. Anothe…
> Duchamp, in his genius, realized that though the ability to buy something painfully handcrafted does signal wealth, buying literal garbage is a much better display of wealth. Someone who can afford to buy a meticulously painted portrait, well, one may be will willing to make sacrifices for beauty. Someone able to spend millions on literal garbage - now that is a rich man.
> Mostly this doesn't matter. They are only hurting themselves. But the effect of these incentives on public architecture has been pretty horrifying.
This is a very good analysis summary.
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#178> Performance drives success, but when performance can’t be measured, networks drive success.
That distills the essence of modern internet content economy for me.
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#179The Guardian's "The class pay gap: why it pays to be privileged" feature https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/07/the-class-pa... seems to me a more detailed and more nuanced treatment of much the same topic.
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#180>How? Replace the corporate ladder with a social bridge. We never work in isolation—even when we think we do. Our collective definition of success requires us to think about the ways that our work impacts others. Collectivists hate art. Capitalists love art. If you look at socialist countries like Cuba, there are 0 artists. You must get approval from the government to make a "Creative Production" https://havanatimes.…
What an offensive comment. Socialist countries don't have art and artists? lol. Some of the greatest musicians, filmmakers, visual artists were from the Soviet Union
In the USSR before Stalin's death. It was a crime to make any art. After Stalin's death they decriminalized art but it was still illegal to be an artist. That isn't even to get into the censorship.
The fundamental reasoning here, in communism where everyone gets the same pay regardless of performance. If artist is an option, everyone would become an artist; why work a hard when it doesnt matter.
That's why communism/socialism bans artists. You never addressed this. You simply asserted I was offensive.
You risked going to a gulag and near certainly probably death by creating art. Nobody did this, the few who did, did it in secret.