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Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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Re: Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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farmerbuzz wrote: post #170
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #144

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Archos 10 inch tablet: $300. http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/specs.html?co... I'm not saying it's the best tablet ever, though on a spec checklist it might actually win (camera, HDMI out, USB host, multimedia formats etc.). I'm more interested in the fact that the vast majority of Gruber-style pronouncements about how special Apple is require you to not have any knowledge of what's actually happening o…

If its anything like the Archos 7 it will have a resistive touchscreen and a less powerful CPU, which probably explains the price difference. Android is painful to use with a resistive touchscreen because of all the swiping gestures and the pressure needed when using a resistive touchscreen.

Archos 70 and 101 (the new 7" and 10" models) are both capacitive and have 1GHz Cortex A8 chips. I think some of the smaller ones (32 and 43 maybe?) are still resistive even in the new models.

It's also interesting to note that the 70 and 101 have similar internals apart from the screen and only have a $25 price difference.

Re: Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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adolph wrote: post #156
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #144

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Archos 10 inch tablet: $300. http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/specs.html?co... I'm not saying it's the best tablet ever, though on a spec checklist it might actually win (camera, HDMI out, USB host, multimedia formats etc.). I'm more interested in the fact that the vast majority of Gruber-style pronouncements about how special Apple is require you to not have any knowledge of what's actually happening o…

Is the Archos 10 actually available anywhere? B&H says "Approx. Arrival December." It's not even available on the Archos store: https://store.archos.com/archos-internet-tablet-p-5005.html

There's a brief review here from a guy who got his from the Archos store, though apparently they're sold out at the moment:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/e3zeb/my_thoughts_o...

Re: Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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Post by andreyf »

nowarninglabel wrote: post #57
andreyf wrote: post #31

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He's talking about cost of actually building the device. A big part of the iPhone's consumer price ($700 for 32gig) is markup, as he points out in comparing it to the price of the iPod touch, which is $300 for a comprable model. In other words, he's claiming that Apple could undercut the A8181 Desire or the Galaxy S on price, but keeping the customer choose between "FREE* shiny new phone" or "$200* shiny new phone" r…

If that is what the author is talking about, then the author is still off (at least based on this analysis): Galaxy S $205 build cost - http://bit.ly/bocdoe Apple Ipad $264.27 - http://bit.ly/aW8mvu (bit.ly links cause the links are huge, goes to Isuppli)

Uh, the iPad costs a lot more to build than $264.27: do the math on their earnings reports: Apple is hardly making any profit off of them. And the iPad has a screen 4x the size of the Galaxy S. You just can't compare the two...

Re: Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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Post by andreyf »

saint-loup wrote: post #68
jon_hendry wrote: post #46

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" as he points out in comparing it to the price of the iPod touch, which is $300 for a comprable model." But the iPod touch has some corners cut. No anti-oil coating on the screen, for one. It also retains the former body shape, not the flat-glass-on-both-sides iPhone 4 style.

One other downside for the Touch: no IPS display.

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features/retina-display.html

Re: Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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Post by nowarninglabel »

andreyf wrote: post #173
nowarninglabel wrote: post #57

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If that is what the author is talking about, then the author is still off (at least based on this analysis): Galaxy S $205 build cost - http://bit.ly/bocdoe Apple Ipad $264.27 - http://bit.ly/aW8mvu (bit.ly links cause the links are huge, goes to Isuppli)

Uh, the iPad costs a lot more to build than $264.27: do the math on their earnings reports: Apple is hardly making any profit off of them. And the iPad has a screen 4x the size of the Galaxy S. You just can't compare the two...

Again, the author was the one that used the Galaxy S as a comparison, it's in the article. As for the figure, I gave the caveat that you have to believe the source, though I think the source is pretty well researched.

Re: Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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Post by jon_hendry »

andreyf wrote: post #174
saint-loup wrote: post #68

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One other downside for the Touch: no IPS display.

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/features/retina-display.html

It's not clear if that's an IPS LCD identical to the iPhone 4's, or if it's a non-IPS LCD with the same resolution.

Re: Daring Fireball: Apple's Pricing Advantage

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Post by jwhitlark »

andreyf wrote: post #113
jwhitlark wrote: post #86

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The 70 has been shipping for a week. It also sold out on the first day. And it has a capacitive screen. Interestingly enough, when I ordered mine, I got a $25 discount, for no particular reason I can discern. Brought the total cost to $256, delivered. We'll see how it measures up. You can install the market easily; my understanding is there isn't the logic in the market (yet?) to handle a wider range of devices, (wit…

I'm actually really curious about this device... did you order it straight off their site?

yes. Saw it on engadget when it was released, realized it fit what I was looking for, said what the hell, and bought it.

I'm quite taken with it, so far. Adding the app market is a snap, and makes it even better. I'll be quite happy when it updates to 2.2, though. I've gotten used to it on my nexus one, and it's a pain going back.

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