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Is that a serious question? As one small example, the 500 million or so vegetarians in India seem to do just fine.
I thought there were a few required proteins that were very hard to supply in the body without an animal source
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>that would be an over reaction that will harm more than it helps. Explain.
Legal avenues for fishing are gone. Illegal fishing takes over with no controls. More deaths more over fishing. Another scenerio. Farming fishing increases causing increase population which[p is then dumped into the clean water supply. What no one is mentioning is the amount of radioactive waste Japan is pumping into the ovean still. This is bigger problem but one being ignored.
Disappointing. We share one planet. Nations need to be held accountable by each other for the amount of resources they consume and how they do so. And in this case whales are not even within Japanese territory...
We need to international agreement to stop hunting wild animal outside of the country territory. However, if even one nation will disobey it, it will not work. To make it work, we need to _force_ all nations to obey common law, i.e. we need central government with forces. It doesn't look doable without one or two world wide wars. And the global exchaution of resources is the fastest way to perform these wars. So, to…
This isn’t enough. Whales pass through many countries waters, so killing them in Japan’s waters doesn’t only affect Japan.
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Are you serious? Because a pig or calf can be bought for a few hundred bucks, few thousand tops, and raised in a suburban back yard. Because there is zero chance they are keystone species. An adult sperm whale weighs over 100 tons and eats about a ton a day. Do you not see the practical implications of that with regards to irreversible damage? Edit: missed the sustainable part of your post. Whaling afaik can't be sus…
I thought the demand in Japan was so low they had trouble selling the whale meat they hunted in the past couple of years. But I haven't been able to find a reliable source for that. I always figured the Japanese stance was borne of out of politics and nationalism -- and possibly cronyism, I'm sure somebody is getting rich -- rather than driven by consumer demand.
I don't even eat meat but I find it difficult to be angry about this when at the same time at home we have millions (billions?) of farm animals live in absolutely terrible conditions. Reminds me a little of the outrage in CA about horse meat. There are plenty of people who think eating horse meat is morally wrong while at the same time they eat some salad with bacon on top. Why is a horse better than a pig? Certainly…
I don't think this is a fair comparison because we breed these animals for farming, so technically we could breed as many as we need to sustain our habits. On the other hand there is no way to breed whales. There is some finite number of them in the wild and we cannot actively endeavor to create more. Commercial farming of farm animals will not cause the extinction of farm animals; commercial farming of whales will c…
And then people like me and you respond with this same response: "Cows are not going extinct." They don't want to hear an answer, they want to shill veganism.
I've made the same reply a few times in this thread, and both times my comments were down-voted and flagged less than a minute after posting.
edit: Am I saying these people are coordinated? Yeah. Absolutely I am.
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> If you are comparing pigs and cows to whaling you are comparing apples and oranges. Pigs and cows and such are farm raised animals for the purpose of slaughter. That's just an artificial distinction. They didn't began their lives as "farm raised animals for the purpose of slaughter".
>They didn't began their lives as "farm raised animals for the purpose of slaughter". they did though, cows were domesticated from aurochs and pigs from wild boars for the express purpose of making them easier to slaughter as livestock rather than having to hunt them. Same for chickens. Is it humane? I don't know but they they wouldn't exist in their present form if not for humans domesticating and breeding them for…
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No, that would be an over reaction that will harm more than it helps. Controls are important but stop all legal fishing is not the answer.
We could just pay fishermen to not fish, just like we pay farmers for fallow land.
If you wanted to fix this for all time, the US should buy the entire island nation of Kiribati, resettle the current occupants someplace where they can continue with a similar culture (maybe somewhere on the Texas coast), and then turn the Kiribati EEZ into an MOA for the US Navy. Tell the Chinese and Taiwanese that subs will be letting of torpedos there, or that there are mines to keep them out. That would give highly migratory species like tuna a safe area to rebuild their numbers.
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Surely if killing animals is wrong, so is exploiting them for eggs and milk? So the only moral option (currently available, in the absence of lab-grown meat) is veganism, which is deadly (it's missing some B vitamin I think).
> Surely if killing animals is wrong, so is exploiting them for eggs and milk? Prefacing an argument with "surely" doesn't make it a stronger argument. I don't see why it follows at all that raising animals for eggs or milk could not be done humanely.
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If you are comparing pigs and cows to whaling you are comparing apples and oranges. Pigs and cows and such are farm raised animals for the purpose of slaughter. If you compared it to hunting deer and moose and elephants and lions and whatnot that would be more of a comparison. Still the difference there is individuals are getting hunting licenses as opposed to an entire country. You can compare tuna fishing and crabb…
> would not enjoy eating whale meat. Why not?
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As opposed to? Aren't pigs or cattle sentient?
No, pigs and cattle are not sentient. Sentience is a complex question, but it mostly revolves around language and symbol-making/recognition. There's substantial evidence that whales actually have language. Pigs and cattle do not. (edit: I'm misusing the word "sentience" here. The problem is that it's not the right distinction. Cows/pigs are sentient , in that they can feel emotions. But they cannot reason . So it's n…