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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by dunpeal »

jki275 wrote: post #155
dunpeal wrote: post #154

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Your typical Linux stack is far more configurable and customizable than the Mac stack. You typically have far more configuration levers, as well as deeper customization access. The stack is built entirely from open, accessible source, so you can ultimately customize every single part of it to your exact liking. For example, KDE has an order of magnitude more levers than the OS X DE.

You realize OSX is BSD, right? Just because they didn't build you a configuration button for everything doesn't mean it's not configurable.

Uhm, no. Somewhere at the core it's BSD, but can I patch and recompile the DE?

Not only is most of OS X closed source, it's also not particularly configurable.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by simion314 »

c487bd62 wrote: post #148
simion314 wrote: post #87

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> their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap. Snap was here before flatpack, what should a company like Canonical do if they want to try something new? Use planted developers in GNOME or other projects to push projects as dependencies into all distributions? If you do not like Canonical do not use their products, use other distro or BSD. Unity was a nice…

> Snap was here before flatpack https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9oddtb/flatpaks_sand...

Dude Canonical had a package manager similar to snap for mobile, snap is inspired from that. Plus flatpack is a side project of a RedHat dev, this explains why it moves slow, also flatpack is desktop based where snap works with servers and IOT

Anyway I see some colaboration between the 2 projects so let's not create conflict between this 2 projects where there is none, snap covers more at this moment then flatpack

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by [deleted] »

anonlastname wrote: post #164
apatters wrote: post #153

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From the perspective of a desktop user they are phoning it in. Gnome is upgraded to the latest release and they made some theme tweaks. The desktop feature list is humiliatingly short. It's not entirely Canonical's fault. No one ever figured out how to make money off of desktop, consumer Linux. Mark was at least honest about it, they tried, it didn't work, server is a better way to make money, they aren't investing a…

I get the feeling that Ubuntu is basically a finished product. What major changes would you have expected to see if Canonical had more money? The only thing I can think of is to replace the god awful default text editor. I noticed they changed it a while ago (from when it was called Gedit) but it's still garbage. Not that this really matters when we have Emacs... As a user, I'm happy with ubuntu. Stability is importa…

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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by reitanqild »

arbie wrote: post #146
apexalpha wrote: post #108

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I disagree I have some friends and family who rarely use a computer and I installed Ubuntu because they didn't want to buy a new one and Vista simply sucked. As long as you dont dist-upgrade everything is rock stable. I set apt-get upgrades to go every month or so automatically. Kernel upgrades happen on reboot. Doesn't even notice!

> I set apt-get upgrades to go every month or so automatically. Kernel upgrades happen on reboot. Doesn't even notice! From experience, this is a terrible idea. ChromeOS is the only one that I have never had issues with when it comes to silent updates. Windows (document deletion in RS3), MacOS (scanner issues in Sierra), Ubuntu (rsyslog errors preventing Bionic upgrades) have had various issues over the years that I…

>> I set apt-get upgrades to go every month or so automatically. Kernel upgrades happen on reboot. Doesn't even notice!

> From experience, this is a terrible idea.

> ... Granted these were major releases, but silent updates are generally trouble.

Running major updates automatically doesn't seem like a good idea, no.

But I've had few problems with running security updates automatically.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by tom4000 »

hyperbovine wrote: post #73
apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

My best friend. She saw me being happy to use Linux and that I do everything on it she did on Windows before.

Of course it still needs an opened mindset to use Linux but its disadvantages in some use cases.

She is using OpenSuse.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by Shish2k »

marenkay wrote: post #166
Shish2k wrote: post #156

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If you wanted to know " can you use rsync?" (a technical yes/no question), perhaps you should have asked that, instead of asking " why use dropbox?" (a subjective preference question)? To answer the question of " can you use rsync instead of dropbox?" - yes, it is "technically possible" to use rsync to transfer files between multiple devices. I don't understand why you would ask this question though, because everythi…

You did not read as well. The only question I asked was if you could fake the ext4 using docker. Nothing else. The rest does not have a question mark. You answered a question I did never ask.

I assume English is not your first language? If you say "X? But the real question is Y", then it's quite valid to assume that "X" was hypothetical, and the real question was "Y" :)

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by Shish2k »

marenkay wrote: post #167
Shish2k wrote: post #151

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> why Dropbox when you can rsync I've been thinking about this attitude a lot recently, and realising how much it's holding back open source - - since everybody said "rsync is good enough", we stopped innovating file sync tools in the 90's; and it was only when dropbox came along that we realised what we were missing, and now open-source is playing catch-up and is still behind (I'm using syncthing myself, but I still…

One thing you keep forgetting: your polished 80s software is running the world. Not Slack, not Discord. You can kill of Slack, no one will be less productive, have a worse work day. Shut down something old like shell scripting, and almost every IT company on this planet will be down for months if not years. If you want to improve, you have to start where it begins. Tech starts with small things, but not with Electron…

> your polished 80s software is running the world. Not Slack, not Discord.

Comparing chat apps to shell scripting is apples to oranges - let's compare apples to apples:

- Discord: 130 million users

- Slack: 8 million (3 million business users)

- IRC: Optimistically 0.2 million (The best data I can find say 0.1 million, let's be generous and double that)

Given that slack has 15x as many business users as all IRC users combined, I think it's fair to say that Slack has a lot more effect on real-world productivity than IRC does.

The numbers of dropbox users vs rsync users are even more hugely different.

My point here is that there's no technical reason why we can't have great, useful, user-friendly, world-leading open-source software; but the culture of open-source says "let's focus on making shell scripting better, forget about electron apps", and the result of that is that while our developer tools are ok, all of our non-developer software is half-assed clones of proprietary stuff and we're always playing catch-up instead of leading. My worry is that attitude is making the open source community largely irrelevant in modern computing, which is going to be bad for its long-term health :/

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by marenkay »

Shish2k wrote: post #177
marenkay wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing you keep forgetting: your polished 80s software is running the world. Not Slack, not Discord. You can kill of Slack, no one will be less productive, have a worse work day. Shut down something old like shell scripting, and almost every IT company on this planet will be down for months if not years. If you want to improve, you have to start where it begins. Tech starts with small things, but not with Electron…

> your polished 80s software is running the world. Not Slack, not Discord. Comparing chat apps to shell scripting is apples to oranges - let's compare apples to apples: - Discord: 130 million users - Slack: 8 million (3 million business users) - IRC: Optimistically 0.2 million (The best data I can find say 0.1 million, let's be generous and double that) Given that slack has 15x as many business users as all IRC users…

And you have not yet encountered the backlash you get from users as on Open Source developer when you try to implement said useful, user-friendly things?

I have been at that spot various times and users almost always start unleashing hell if your next commit / PR is not that fix etc. they wait for but some general improvement for everyone.

You do that a few times, then the emails arrive, trying to coerce you into doing exactly what a very specific user wants and later threats of DDoS arrive.

Also... those nice tools are usually developed by the same open source people. They pay their salary.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by jki275 »

dunpeal wrote: post #171
jki275 wrote: post #155

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You realize OSX is BSD, right? Just because they didn't build you a configuration button for everything doesn't mean it's not configurable.

Uhm, no. Somewhere at the core it's BSD, but can I patch and recompile the DE? Not only is most of OS X closed source, it's also not particularly configurable.

What, specifically, are you trying to configure that you can't?

It really is BSD, although the window manager isn't open source a lot of the rest is.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by retSava »

unstuckdev wrote: post #116
retSava wrote: post #84

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OT: cantankerous - bad-tempered, argumentative, and uncooperative thanks for the vocabulary expansion!

I (and probably the person you replied to) take all these words for granted. It didn't occur to me someone hadn't heard of them. Check out the thesaurus entry for cantankerous for some more useful, related, and probably less common than I think terms: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/cantankerous

Thanks!

And I don't wish people to stop using less common words - I do enjoy an expanded vocabulary, just for the record. The comment was just to save others a couple of clicks :).

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