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Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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It's probably getting downvoted because they're trying to evoke an emotional reaction by comparing forced labor as part of a prison sentence with literally keeping people as your personal property. If we're going to call any instance of the government forcing you to do a job you don't want "slavery", then here's a list of countries where the majority of the population has been forced into "slavery" without even being…

Well, yes, I would agree that forced conscription is a form of slavery. Obviously it's not as horrible a situation as say early American black slavery, but slavery nonetheless. I'm happy to be challenged on this.

In what sense is it not equally horrible?

Combine it with these observations:

1) Trials are increasingly rare, most criminals in prison never had one, they made a plea deal

2) The difference between a maximum sentence and a plea deal can be an order of magnitude (2 years instead of 20)

3) Dark skinned people can rationally expect that they won’t receive a fair trial, given bias in police investigations, DA practices, and juries.

... That adds up to a lot of innocent dark skinned people in prison, who quite rationally traded their civic rights for a smaller variability in their risk profile.

I guess what’s “better” about that than chattel slavery is that person had a possibility of release. So instead of 100% chance of incarceration and loss of civil rights, they had only an 80% chance of incarceration. Is that your position?

Personally, that doesn’t feel like a qualitative difference. Seems like the same situation just moved to a different psychic plane. But, interested in your thoughts.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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This shows the derangement of the people in charge. Why is this? Why this derangement on the subject of cannabis? I've read a fair amount, and every time I've brought it up, I get downvoted to hell. So, I'll ask: Anyone have a hypothesis on why a large number of our leaders, who happen to be older white men, are insanely against this plant?

Personally I'm anti drug use because of how many friends and family members I've seen turn their lives to shit after starting weed etc. I know there's a lot of fine users but so many of my friends turned to weed to cope and then from there went onto harder stuff like crack/cocaine. And really, I don't support people altering their mind states through the use of recreational drugs, alcohol included. It saddens me to s…

I’m with you, and I think this is an important part of the discussion so I hope people will make space for it. Pot, alcohol, even mushrooms can be dangerous psychologically. Society must address this.

However I don’t think this has any bearing on legalization. Whether something should be illegal is a different question than whether it is harmful.

If prohibition, in practice, will cause intolerable side effects, then it’s not a just policy. Even if we agree that the prohibited behavior is destructive.

It’s also not universally true that prohibition even decreases the prohibited behavior. Especially with teenagers it can sometimes have the opposite effect.

I am against abortion bans, not because I think abortion is harmless, but because I think prohibition has terrible effects.

Lastly, there are positive effects of a general culture of freedom. Freedom to make mistakes, not just freedom within a set of formally approved activities. We are able as a group to more effectively explore the space of safe activities if we allow personal exploration of unsafe activities to a degree.

This is why some people advocate not for prohibition of all harmful activities, but prohibition only of those that harm non-consensual participants. It’s illegal to hit your domestic partner. It’s legal to hit your sparring partner at the gym. That’s not because hitting is harmless (it’s not). It’s because many of us think the law is best suited to dampen harmful non-consensual activities, while other means (ministry, fellowship, etc) are more effective means to dampen consensual harmful activity.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Sure maybe the Nixon campaign/administration used laws that were on the books to target certain groups...but the laws already existed for more than a generation. Similarly, private for profit prisons, while they existed earlier, weren’t really a thing (as we know them today) until the 1980’s. So the idea drug laws were created as a weapon against hippies and blacks (30 years in advance) or to line pockets of prison o…

Right, while the above are all disgusting side effects of the shitty implementation of American drug law, I think good old fashioned American Puritanism is to blame for the original targeting.

Did the Puritans distinguish between cannabis and alcohol?

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Everyone confused about the fucked up laws around drug control and the like in the united states: It is about locking up poor people in order to keep them from voting. It is about filling our prisons with non-violent offenders so we can force them to work for slave wages, and line the owners of the prisons and the politicians they fund's pockets. It's about political suppression, not about some moralistic crusade to…

Not at all. There's only one good reason; Psychedelics make people question their existence and therefore, their social situation as well. The dictators don't like that . Non-psychedelic drugs like opiates are banned to keep people in the mountains from defending their lands using opium money. I know, iv seen it done.

The TV series Ozark depicts this.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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What drives me crazy is, if you go to a psychiatrist today and lie about having hard time sleeping, they can immediately prescribe you Ambien which not only causes dementia and other neurological problems in long term use, but systematically makes people do absolutely batshit crazy things they'll never remember the next morning. In the US, drug regulations are absolutely ridiculous and have no scientific basis, it is…

> they can immediately prescribe you Ambien which not only causes dementia and other neurological problems in long term use, but systematically makes people do absolutely batshit crazy things they'll never remember the next morning. Not only that, the same psychiatrist might be getting kickbacks from the maker of ambien to peddle it to their clients. >it is randomly decided by a few individuals It isn't randomly deci…

It's bizarre. I have been treated for ADHD with stimulants for years and when I walk my psychs office there is Adderall/Vyvanse and Shire Pharmaceutical paraphernalia all over the walls, posters, tote bags, little models of the brain stamped with "Adderall XR".

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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Well, yes, I would agree that forced conscription is a form of slavery. Obviously it's not as horrible a situation as say early American black slavery, but slavery nonetheless. I'm happy to be challenged on this.

In what sense is it not equally horrible? Combine it with these observations: 1) Trials are increasingly rare, most criminals in prison never had one, they made a plea deal 2) The difference between a maximum sentence and a plea deal can be an order of magnitude (2 years instead of 20) 3) Dark skinned people can rationally expect that they won’t receive a fair trial, given bias in police investigations, DA practices,…

I was talking about forced military conscription, i.e. what Taiwanese and Korean citizens undergo, not the American prison system.

These systems aren't as bad as chattel slavery because there is a strict legal requirement of when they must end (usually within a year), the citizen remains a citizen (albeit a military one as well) and thus still gets due process (outside of military punishments for, say, defecting or pointing a gun at a superior officer), the citizen can own property while doing their service, they get to do whatever they want with their own money, etc etc etc.

I still think they're wrong, for many reasons, but also because I don't believe there should be militaries designed for human-human conflict.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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> In March, Insys launched a multinational study of 190 children to evaluate cannabidiol as a first-line therapy for infantile spasms. We are eager to see how well the compound performs when given in the first days and weeks of the condition. If it turns out to be effective, cannabidiol would represent a substantial improvement over current drugs, all of which have serious side effects: One, for example, causes irrev…

What drives me crazy is, if you go to a psychiatrist today and lie about having hard time sleeping, they can immediately prescribe you Ambien which not only causes dementia and other neurological problems in long term use, but systematically makes people do absolutely batshit crazy things they'll never remember the next morning. In the US, drug regulations are absolutely ridiculous and have no scientific basis, it is…

Or opiates, or benzodiazeprines, or amphetamine. The list goes on.

Re: Federal chokehold on marijuana stymies studies on epilepsy, autism

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What's the difference between being legalized and being not prohibited?

Saying that it's federally prohibited within the state is dubious, because of the issue of states rights. Constitutional scholars would argue the federal government has little to no ability to control what substances a state wants to prohibit within the state itself. The only way this was worked around to begin with is the stretching of the interstate commerce law, which only applies when crossing state lines.

Only if a court made a ruling on it.
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