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Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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It doesn't strike me as paranoia. Thinking that industrial espionage doesn't happen seems naive. What they have is an admitted saboteur and code that exports data to third parties. It quacks like a duck. A disgruntled employee succumbed to or sought out people who wished to do harm to Tesla. There's plenty of evidence of similar things happening. (edit to fix words) If you work in the defense industry you get things…

Great comment, but I’m not sure what events you’re referring to when you say: > American companies have overthrown governments to benefit their business Care to elaborate?

I didn't know it was this many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

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It doesn't strike me as paranoia. Thinking that industrial espionage doesn't happen seems naive. What they have is an admitted saboteur and code that exports data to third parties. It quacks like a duck. A disgruntled employee succumbed to or sought out people who wished to do harm to Tesla. There's plenty of evidence of similar things happening. (edit to fix words) If you work in the defense industry you get things…

Great comment, but I’m not sure what events you’re referring to when you say: > American companies have overthrown governments to benefit their business Care to elaborate?

United Fruit Company is the origin of the phrase "Banana Republic"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

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post #163

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I'd like to do that. But every time there is a story about something I really do know about, it is so wrong as to be highly misleading.

That's not new. Journalists aren't experts in any profession, that's always been the case.

Sure. I’m just pointing out a problem with the approach of the previous post, where ‘stfu’ was the advice.

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It doesn't strike me as paranoia. Thinking that industrial espionage doesn't happen seems naive. What they have is an admitted saboteur and code that exports data to third parties. It quacks like a duck. A disgruntled employee succumbed to or sought out people who wished to do harm to Tesla. There's plenty of evidence of similar things happening. (edit to fix words) If you work in the defense industry you get things…

Great comment, but I’m not sure what events you’re referring to when you say: > American companies have overthrown governments to benefit their business Care to elaborate?

The United Fruit Company lobbied successfully for the overthrow the Guatemalan government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A...

CIA plans and arranges Iranian overthrow of PM (along with UK) over interference with a predecessor to BP (concisely detailing who owned what is hard)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

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> Wow, the level of paranoia he's going into is impressive. Exactly. It is surprising people pointing out - "Well, so many shorts etc so it's plausible". This kind of reasoning misses the bigger point - we need our leaders, political and otherwise, to refrain from actively pumping out conspiracy theories. If there is proof of malicious behavior present it instead of rumor mongering. But given Musk's(Tesla) constant n…

There are far more people aligned against him, so it's easy for him to feel defensive. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if there was something bad going on with their finances, but I'd ALSO easily believe that there are actors very very actively working against him and Tesla. Google and Apple can grow without restraint because until they were massive they didn't affect anyone, Tesla from day 1 flew against the grain…

> Google and Apple can grow without restraint because until they were massive they didn't affect anyone

Microsoft in particular lost an entire industry and way of doing business, partly (or maybe mostly) because of Apple and Google. It was only about 5 years ago that the “us vs them” mindset started to dissipate.

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It doesn't strike me as paranoia. Thinking that industrial espionage doesn't happen seems naive. What they have is an admitted saboteur and code that exports data to third parties. It quacks like a duck. A disgruntled employee succumbed to or sought out people who wished to do harm to Tesla. There's plenty of evidence of similar things happening. (edit to fix words) If you work in the defense industry you get things…

Great comment, but I’m not sure what events you’re referring to when you say: > American companies have overthrown governments to benefit their business Care to elaborate?

The United Fruit Company comes to mind.

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> In 2007, a comprehensive study of markets around the world found that ones where short selling was legal and common were more efficient than ones where it was not. And a 2012 study concluded simply, “Stock prices are more accurate when short sellers are more active.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/03/23/in-praise-of-s...

Short selling is a _good thing_. Blaming the short sellers is the practices of companies like Enron, AIG and Lehman. Elon is not covering himself in glory here.

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I have no problem believing that a disgruntled employee sabotaged part of the production line. But I do have a problem believing that all of the problems since the Model 3 started production were caused by sabotage. I also have no problem believing that the disgruntled employee simply wanted to take revenge by sabotaging his/her employer -- that's not uncommon, and it should not be difficult to prove if it really hap…

Yeah I find it too coincidental. There was a news article if I'm not mistaken about how Tesla put in a lot of work into trying to automate making cars that failed. A lot of big car manufacturers commented how they tried the same and he didn't learn from their mistakes.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/experts-say-tesla-has-r...

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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We need to figure out if he was acting alone or with others at Tesla and if he was working with any outside organizations. As you know, there are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die. These include Wall Street short-sellers, who have already lost billions of dollars and stand to lose a lot more. Then there are the oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industry in the world — they don't love the idea of T…

Everyone whose speech you don't like in 2018 is "literally" Trump, says the left and its proponents. What's your point, that his paranoia should be treated and he should hand his company over to the government? Either he is too careful in his speech or he is too paranoid - you can't have it both ways.

The left is pretty screwed up these days, but not as badly as the right.

This email from Musk isn't at all the same as what we hear from the Trump camp. Sure he's talking about a conspiracy, but it's pretty reasonable, unlike the Trump conspiracies.

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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This isn't good.

I mean, there may well be saboteurs in Tesla. That's not my issue. What worries me is that Musk sent out a general email and announced this to the world.

Why is that worrying?

Whether it is Trump's "Deep State", Stalin's "wreckers", shadow governments, or Freemasons. Any time a leader starts publically pointing to invisible actors and demanding they be investigated and stopped, something is about to go very wrong.

What inevitably follows is leaders asserting that their failures are not due to incompetence or poor planning on their part, but are caused unseen and irrational forces who must be opposed.

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