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Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

Ah yes, let's suck off one corporate giant to demonstrate how bad another one is.

Google regularly breaks their websites on browsers other than Chrome.

Amazon doesn't sell popular devices competing with their Kindle line, and doesn't make it easy to install apps using Google Play Services on their Kindle devices.

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Post by pas »

testvox wrote: post #70
pas wrote: post #59

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> ... and you can't change your mind later. Is that a typo? Isn't GDPR the implementation of the right to be forgotten plus "left-the-fuck-alone after used your shitty site for 0.5 EUR to buy an emoji"? So you can request removal of all your personal information. Yes, Amazon needs your delivery and billing address, but they don't need the delivery address after delivery. So you can request them to delete it pronto! A…

Currently Amazon keeps your entire order history forever with no way to delete it. Do you think they will change this for the GDPR?

Yes. That's the No1. use case of GDPR.

EU probably won't give a big shit about a tracking cookie, because you can delete that. But if Data Controllers won't perform proper delete/anonymization, then shit will find and maximize the action potential, even if there's a rotating blade in the way.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by salvar »

criley2 wrote: post #126
Maarten88 wrote: post #110

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> Tracking for advertising is the business model of free content. Well, too bad, that business model has just become illegal in EU. Publishers will have to make do with old style banners or ads. They can still target ads using the content of the page, assuming readers of the article will be interested in the subject. ... or get consent in a compliant way. Success with that!

Or Europeans will have to do with paygates and subscription fees. There is no "making due". These companies are run very thin already. There is already much less talent, much less pay, and much less quality than most of us would want. There is a breaking point for providing free content on the internet, and so many publishers are hitting it today WITH TRACKING. So many sites have moved to a X free per month with subs…

If that happens, then everyone should be happy. Businesses who don't want to comply with the law can get out of that market and make way for others who do. Consumers have better data protections. Win win.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by greedo »

criley2 wrote: post #128
adamjc wrote: post #106

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> Then give me your credit card and subscribe, or there's the door. I don't understand this type of thinking from some of the posters here on HN, as if GDPR is right now personally affecting you in a negative way. It's a very aggressive way of writing and I've seen a few posters comment in this way. If you want an example of a company that does non-personalised advertising and is successful: DuckDuckGo.

How do you know I am not personally affected by freeloaders who wish to steal content from me and use laws as justification for their entitlement to free no-strings access to my work? That's very presumptuous.

If you post content on the web without using a paywall, then people aren't "freeloading" or stealing your content. Just as I don't have to read every word on a website, nor do I have to view every add, run every piece of code, and let myself be tracked. Don't like that? Don't run a website/service without a paywall.

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Post by emodendroket »

ensignavenger wrote: post #153
tramGG wrote: post #67

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"Amazon will stop selling Nest smart home devices, escalating its war with Google" http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-wont-sell-nest-product... Sounds like the same behavior. Google has been known to replace whole other start-up services or de-list them.

I can buy a Nest Thermostat from any of thousands of websites and it would work just fine in my home. I can't even get a Steam Link app for free from anyone and have it work effortlessly on my iOS device. These two are not the same, no matter which side you are on.

Alright, then how about removing Adblock from their stores?

Android is a little better, but it's by no means totally free.

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Post by sgift »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #104
dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

> actual monopolistic behavior > a significant share If it's only "a significant share" it's by definition not a monopoly.

The legislative term is "dominant market position", but that's too long, so everyone just uses monopoly, because it is far shorter and everyone can understand with a bit of thinking what is meant.

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Post by pjc50 »

nodja wrote: post #135
int_19h wrote: post #97

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An example of monopolistic Google behavior was when they refused to make a YouTube app for any Windows platform (Win8, and later Win10) - which is fine - but then they also blocked the app that Microsoft itself has developed. Because they control access to YouTube as a service, they could do that. And because YouTube is the place for videos on the Net, it hurt the platform pretty bad.

This is a bad example. MS was just using the video stream directly instead of using the youtube player code that takes care of things like annotations, ads, cards, etc. A better example is the amazon-google kerfuffle over chromecast/amazon devices. Can't recall who "started" it, but the end results is that amazon doesn't sell chromecast/google home, and google blocks youtube from amazon devices. Yes amazon initially…

No, it's a good example; why is the app obliged to show ads any more than browsers aren't?

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by jmull »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

It's pretty weird to excuse Google and Amazon's monopolistic practices because Apple has different monopolistic practices.

Re: Apple rejects Valve’s Steam Link game streaming app over ‘business conflicts’

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Post by pjc50 »

dnomad wrote: post #55

People who go on and on about the Google and Amazon "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services -- this is what actual monopolistic behavior looks like. Apple controls access to a significant share of the mobile application industry and it directly abuses that market power to harm customers by reducing competition and artificially raising prices. Apple is being sued in both US…

> "monopolies" -- which only benefit consumers with low prices and expansive services

I'm suspicious of this given that both are shareholder-owned, eventually the shareholders are going to want a benefit too.

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Post by vorpalhex »

jrs95 wrote: post #132
beavis2 wrote: post #109

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Despite the two companies collaborating on an app based on HTML5, Microsoft's app is still breaking YouTube's terms of use. "Microsoft has not made the browser upgrades necessary to enable a fully-featured YouTube experience, and has instead re-released a YouTube app that violates our Terms of Service - It has been disabled. We value our broad developer community and therefore ask everyone to adhere to the same guide…

Google intentionally ignores issues Edge/IE users have with their products because they want them to switch to Chrome. This isn’t an issue of Microsoft making “browser upgrades”, it’s an issue of Google developing to and supporting Chrome and ignoring the rest of the web.

For some products this makes sense, because Edge has made some questionable choices to either not support some standards, or have their own flavor of them (see WebRTC).

No offense, but I won't support Edge on some stuff I build because very few people use it, and it's too much of a snowflake in some areas.

Note that this doesn't apply to general apps and sites, which should work with Edge more or less out of the box. I'm speaking specifically to cases where the Edge team has decided to ignore a standard and choose their business priorities over consistency.

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