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Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by ptx »

baybal2 wrote: post #145
dmoy wrote: post #120

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Wait is the implication here that tsinghua uni has no tech cred? I agree that parts of tsinghua are pretty chummy with the party, but trying to claim it has no tech cred seems a bit of a stretch. It's arguably in like the top 10 eng/comp sci unis in the entire world. Both QS and ARWU put it in top 10. (THE puts it in top 20)

Tsinghua Uni is big in everything, not only tech as "the official no. 1 university in the country by decree" must be. Not to say that it is also freaking wealthy, as much alike Yale Uni is in USA (through Tsinghua University Group Holding.) No denial from me that that they do pump out high profile publications in amount enough to bruteforce themselves into ratings. Think of them as a Moscow State Uni back in USSR tim…

Could you name those few unknown universities with tech cred? I'm genuinely curious, in case I decide to study computer science in China in the future. I thought Tsinghua was the one to aim for.

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Post by erikb »

mistermann wrote: post #119
erikb wrote: post #28

This will fail so much. If you ever had anything to do with China you know there's no path in. Especially under Xi. Even in the old lang sine, when China was (more) open to the West it was still hard. Think about getting serious stuff stolen, threatened by people with sticks etc. Then you sue someone and the judge simply decides in favor of the Chinese party, no matter what they did. The only option I can see is if y…

Think of it this way: eventually, China will figure out and dominate this market like any other they've tackled. So if you stay in the US, you're just delaying the inevitable. This way, you're in on it, you're buying favor in a sense - in the new world order, having an pre-existing relationship with the 900 pound gorilla might come in handy.

Okay interesting point of view. So you still fail but you fail earlier than the other western competitors and you might fail less. Can't say much against it.

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Post by whatyoucantsay »

dnomad wrote: post #128
mistermann wrote: post #115

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> Agreed, investing in China is the "invading Russia" of the tech world. I'd go even one step further, it is more like partnering with Germany, except in this version of the story Germany might be successful in its quest to take over the world, because make no mistake, China is coming for your market, it's only a matter of time. It is encouraging that more and more people are finally starting to put the pieces of thi…

The vast fear and ignorance in this thread is amusing but the comparison of China to Nazi Germany is perhaps a new low, even for Hacker News? It's interesting though how people develop such warped perceptions of the world. It's exactly how the greatest disaster of the 21st century, the absolutely unprovoked and absolutely senseless American invasion of Iraq which killed a million people and directly led to the rise o…

> the comparison of China to Nazi Germany is perhaps a new low, even for Hacker News?

How so? Mao killed 70 million compared to Hitler's 20. And Germany doesn't hold their former leader in high regard anymore.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by zwaps »

A country where if you disagree with any policy on social media, your kids literally can't go to school, you can't fly and you can't buy a house.

Sure, I'll invest right away!

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by baybal2 »

ptx wrote: post #171
baybal2 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tsinghua Uni is big in everything, not only tech as "the official no. 1 university in the country by decree" must be. Not to say that it is also freaking wealthy, as much alike Yale Uni is in USA (through Tsinghua University Group Holding.) No denial from me that that they do pump out high profile publications in amount enough to bruteforce themselves into ratings. Think of them as a Moscow State Uni back in USSR tim…

Could you name those few unknown universities with tech cred? I'm genuinely curious, in case I decide to study computer science in China in the future. I thought Tsinghua was the one to aim for.

HUST (Huazhong University of Science and Technology), HIT Shenzhen (Harbin Institute of Technology, Shenzhen campus). These are ones I can name right away. If you add "another China," it will also be NTUST, NTU for semiconductor engineering (this is the one and only way to get a TSMC internship.)

I'm trying to remember others. I do remember that some well regarded ones are not even universities per se, but vocational colleges with 2 year diplomas.

I'll add Harbin Engineering Uni and Shenyang Uni for actual engineering studies. Heavy industry, aerospace, do shop here. Both have near nil prominence on research, but it is their undergraduate papers people are for.

It may be surprising that North-East of China other than Beijing gets engineering cred, but this is where the original Chinese industrial and arms manufacturing complex were. If you look up on the list of Chinese arms manufacturers, and in each city having a big plant, you have an accompanying "feeder" university.

Nanyang Tech has cred in mainland, but it seems that it only has a very small grad school detachment there.

South China University of Technology - simply because it is big, and is in the heart of the industrial agglomeration.

A general mid-tier option are central universities of peripheral provinces. Not they are prominent in a research domain, but companies shopping grads there look for people who genuinely got admission with good exam marks, but did not have money to go to top tier universities (read, they are cheap brain).

Fudan Uni Zhangjiang campus - probably the only uni in China that feeds domestic semiconductor industry with high-to-mid-tier cadres, well it was opened with this as its main mandate.

One last thing to note - China was and is scooping Eastern European and Indian grads by tonnes, being a foreigner from a Chinese uni does not give you much of a hand on a job market just for that alone.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by baby »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #170
baby wrote: post #168

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As a foreigner, Shenzhen is kind of a boring industrial city. That's probably why they chose Beijing which is equally as exciting as Shanghai in my opinion. As for pollution, they might both be pretty bad choices.

If they were going to do it that way, better to pick a nice western city like Chengdu or Kunming. The latter even has clean air sometimes (though definitely not as good as it used to be).

Beijing and Shanghai also have large community of expats.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by projectramo »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #160
projectramo wrote: post #157

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I think people are reacting negatively to: "Though, I keep myself a kilometer away from any financial scheme in China, and advise you do the same." The idea that "any financial scheme" in China is worse than a "financial scheme" anywhere else doesn't make sense.

I would totally agree with him though. You don’t want to get entangled into opaque Chinese financial schemes as a foreigner. You just don’t have the knowledge (inside or otherwise) or guanxi to do it well. If something goes wrong, the legal system isn’t going to help you out.

What does China have to do with it?

Do you want to be "entangled into opaque financial schemes" in the US as a native?

If something "goes wrong", do you want to rely on the legal system?

You should avoid bad investments everywhere.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by mistermann »

erikb wrote: post #172
mistermann wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think of it this way: eventually, China will figure out and dominate this market like any other they've tackled. So if you stay in the US, you're just delaying the inevitable. This way, you're in on it, you're buying favor in a sense - in the new world order, having an pre-existing relationship with the 900 pound gorilla might come in handy.

Okay interesting point of view. So you still fail but you fail earlier than the other western competitors and you might fail less. Can't say much against it.

> So you still fail

You do?

> Can't say much against it.

You could say it's a poor prediction and explain why. For example, it isn't exactly an inevitability, even though it seems fairly plausible.

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by aoner »

zappo2938 wrote: post #52
goseeastarwar wrote: post #39

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Cash Rules Everything Around Me So says Wu-Tang Clan and apparently YC.

I think the song was about rising out poverty and that the Wu-tang did it music instead of gangbanging, killing, and drug dealing. They use their own experiences to show young men living in poverty that the can find other means to obtain respect and lots of money that is healthy for themselves and their communities.

Quite the opposite. The songs is about them selling drugs: “Catchin' keys from 'cross seas, Rollin' in MPV's, Every week we made forty G's”

The basic premise is money rules everything so if I want power/influence/success I have to either play the game or accept defeat.

“Method Man is not glorifying money and excess; rather, he’s saying that money holds power, and is a factor of major decisions made in the world he lives in. Those who have it, have power and those who don’t, won’t get up anywhere; sort of a way of saying “Money is the root of all evil”, if you will.”

Re: Startup School Beijing

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

projectramo wrote: post #177
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #160

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I would totally agree with him though. You don’t want to get entangled into opaque Chinese financial schemes as a foreigner. You just don’t have the knowledge (inside or otherwise) or guanxi to do it well. If something goes wrong, the legal system isn’t going to help you out.

What does China have to do with it? Do you want to be "entangled into opaque financial schemes" in the US as a native? If something "goes wrong", do you want to rely on the legal system? You should avoid bad investments everywhere.

The USA has a functional legal system that doesn't discriminate between foreigners and locals. If you are promised something and that can't be delivered, you don't have to just accept 没办法, it is the difference between a first world country and a third-world one.

In China, there is nothing but "bad investments", the stock market is insider trader heavy, the real estate market is bonkers, the shadow banking market...which your bank, even if it is ICBC, will actively try to sell you on, is really dodgy. Then there are crowd sourced micro finance platforms that are basically Ponzi schemes...heck, bitcoin looks like a great safe transparent investment in comparison.

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