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Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by 0xsfv »

yndoendo wrote: post #4

Still cannot understand the IoT mentality. It is actually the CoT Communication of Things. Internet shouldn't be required to turn your lights on or off nor be the device communication backbone in an industrial enviornment. Internet should always be the last resort for communicating because of the distance.

Agreed. The term you are looking for is called pervasive computing. Moreover when the so called "connected devices" can be mobile, then we are speaking about ubiquitous computing. IoT is a way of utilising pervasive computing through the internet. Unfortunately the media and therefore the majority of the tech community has wrongly decided to use IoT for everything which results in a lot of misconceptions. Probably a marketing trick, who knows.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by phs318u »

nitrogen wrote: post #154
phs318u wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hadn’t heard of Blackbird. Sounded awesome. But... 1. “Note: Some anti-virus products may detect Blackbird as malware.” 2. “Last updated: Nov. 10, 2016” ...now, not so much. sigh And I really wanted to believe.

I've had software of mine flagged by overeager antivirus just for being new and uncommon. It labels it as "WS.Reputation.1". If that's the only detection it's most likely nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the info. I’ll run clamscan over it and if it’s what you suggest I’ll snapshot my Windows VM and give it a whirl.

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by justincormack »

mandeepj wrote: post #47
jesseryoung wrote: post #9

Am I missing something here? The custom linux kernel part isn't interesting at all - in fact, Microsoft has pretty much admitted they can't scale down Windows. What's interesting to me here is Microsoft is building an IoT solution that allows manufacturers to delegate security to Microsoft instead of having to roll their own.

> in fact, Microsoft has pretty much admitted they can't scale down Windows. Really? Did you check out Windows Nano Server - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/...

Windows Nano is only available as a container OS, it was cancelled as a standalone OS.

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phs318u wrote: post #115
tomc1985 wrote: post #86

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You used to be able to download a trial off the open web on MS' download portal. I ran LTSB for a year and it was brilliant. But on day 366 (or whever my slmgr -rearm trick ran out) you get locked out with no real way to change to a different SKU or reset without a clean install :( There's a program called BlackBird ( http://getblackbird.net/ ) that claims to strip out all that telemetry. I have been running it for a…

Hadn’t heard of Blackbird. Sounded awesome. But... 1. “Note: Some anti-virus products may detect Blackbird as malware.” 2. “Last updated: Nov. 10, 2016” ...now, not so much. sigh And I really wanted to believe.

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Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by tomc1985 »

phs318u wrote: post #115
tomc1985 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You used to be able to download a trial off the open web on MS' download portal. I ran LTSB for a year and it was brilliant. But on day 366 (or whever my slmgr -rearm trick ran out) you get locked out with no real way to change to a different SKU or reset without a clean install :( There's a program called BlackBird ( http://getblackbird.net/ ) that claims to strip out all that telemetry. I have been running it for a…

Hadn’t heard of Blackbird. Sounded awesome. But... 1. “Note: Some anti-virus products may detect Blackbird as malware.” 2. “Last updated: Nov. 10, 2016” ...now, not so much. sigh And I really wanted to believe.

No issues with my AV (or at all) and I've been running it for a few years now.

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Post by amiraliakbari »

sandGorgon wrote: post #142

It would have been much better if they had thrown their weight behind Android Things ( https://developer.android.com/things/index.html ) Maybe build an open foundation around it like Kubernetes CNCF. Google is surprisingly open to build democratic orgs around its tech.

As long as Google is controlling AOSP by all means to lock users in Google services, it can't be trusted to control another fundamental platform.

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Post by Zekio »

tyingq wrote: post #73
derefr wrote: post #64

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Windows Is For Games™. Despite the existence of things like SteamOS, I don't think your average e-Sports player is going to run anything besides Windows any time soon. Windows Home/Pro is essentially "the firmware for a custom-built Xbox."

Interesting. I am now curious about the demographics. How many Windows 10 users are there soley for either games or Photoshop, or Illustrator, for example? I instinctively feel like ChromeOS and OSX (and mobile OS variants) are going to kill Windows desktop off. But I'm also aware I might be off base.

Pretty sure a recent update to Wine allows you to run Photoshop in Wine on Linux

Re: Microsoft built its own custom Linux kernel for its new IoT service

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

tyingq wrote: post #41
castle-bravo wrote: post #10

Am I paraphrasing this correctly: > Microsoft-branded ARM microcontrollers running an embedded linux distribution. Microsoft rolls out security updates over Azure to reduce the risk of the device becoming part of a botnet. It sounds great.

It does. But, it's also pretty surreal for those of us that worked through the anti-linux Microsoft of the 90's. Windows subsystem for Linux, and initiatives like this are a real confirmation that MS finally "gets it". Right tool for the right job. Good for them. It's also a big swing for me in that I trust MS more than Google now to do the right thing. I'd have thought that impossible a couple of decades ago.

They're being practical. They couldn't win - neither by spreading FUD, calling Linux "a cancer", funding the SCO lawsuit - so they choose to "embrace" Linux and open source whenever it suits them.

On the other hand their contempt for the (paying!) customer is sill blatantly evident, it's right there in Windows 10 telemetry settings being reset.

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Post by drexlspivey »

threeseed wrote: post #152
oldcynic wrote: post #67

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> Pro edition ... Of course they collect data There's something fundamentally wrong with that to my mind, given how the Pro release of Windows has always been placed. I should not need to get an Enterprise release to be able to manage my own machine, restrict the phoning home, and control other basic features of my machine used in a professional context. I've no need of 101 features for managing 1,000 desktops and ne…

I was under the impression you can disable all of the telemetry. Is that not the case ? And Pro really refers to Prosumer not Professional.

According to my pihole, with every telemetry option turned off, it stills tries to phone home hundreds of times per day.
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