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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by Mononokay »

nbdev wrote: post #161
jjjensen90 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our "corrupt government" would crush us with jets, tanks, nukes, laser weapons, missiles, helicopters, drones, ships, chemical weapons, smallpox, and probably many more things regardless of whether we had AR-15s or not.

You would have probably been against the American Revolutionary War then? Meh, let's let the British tax us. They're big and powerful. They're the Government. And what about something like Vietnam? Who won that one? And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt? People have the right to defend themselves, and must be trusted to do so.…

The Brits weren't actually that far ahead of the civs in the ARWar, it was mostly a numbers issue, not a tech issue.

Vietnam wasn't on US soil, home-base would be infinitely cheaper.

> And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt?

The higher up they are the more nonexistant that chance gets, and the higher up you are the more likely it is that you have a kill-switch to any devices that can be used against the nation.

> People have the right to defend themselves, and must be trusted to do so. Otherwise you get something like England. Say the wrong thing and you go to jail. The 2nd Amendment keeps the government in check. Eventually, given enough time, it will need checking.

Actually, you have the US. People have been arrested for bible burning, [1] promoting Communistic views, [2] Japanese Internment Camps, [3] and more. It's absolutely anti-democratic, but the 2A supporters never will speak against these practices.

[0] http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150715-killer-robots-the-s...

[1] http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/23/bible-burning-incident-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act_trials_of_Communist_...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

#172

Post by vim_wannabe »

kevhito wrote: post #125
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? There are more important things than the issues you cite. If losing historical content and "niche communities" having to go find new hobbies means just a coupl…

You can probably make this argument for car/bike racing and tuning, fast food or a number of hobbies and "correlated" deaths. Luckily this restriction seems to be about weird stuff like bump stocks.

And as for the "Blumph!" comment, we still have yet to see Syria driven to the state of Libya so that's at least quite a few kids saved from getting shot right there.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by jjjensen90 »

nbdev wrote: post #161
jjjensen90 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our "corrupt government" would crush us with jets, tanks, nukes, laser weapons, missiles, helicopters, drones, ships, chemical weapons, smallpox, and probably many more things regardless of whether we had AR-15s or not.

You would have probably been against the American Revolutionary War then? Meh, let's let the British tax us. They're big and powerful. They're the Government. And what about something like Vietnam? Who won that one? And even if you're right, that the US government is just that big and bad. What if half the military defects and joins the revolt? People have the right to defend themselves, and must be trusted to do so.…

Generally I am against loss of human life, be it in war or gun violence, but I'm not sure how I would have felt at the time of the Revolution, and I'm not sure you do either.

But really, that is just a weak strawman. The US government/military is MANY orders of magnitude more powerful than the British vs the colonists. The US military could nuke every single state capital in a few minutes, for example. If you take the argument to it's logical conclusion, we should have legal access to weapons equivalent to that of the military, which we already definitely do not.

I am just pointing out that an untrained populace armed with even military-style assault weapons is really just laughable if your enemy is the largest military that has ever existed with technology and weapons that could annihilate humanity. I just don't agree that it is productive to use that as an excuse against thoughtful regulation in the face of the actual, currently occuring epidemic of gun violence (accidents, suicides, school shootings, domestic violence, gang violence, etc) where people are really losing their lives.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by birksherty »

lettergram wrote: post #120

There are _so_ many ways to make a leathel weapon I can't begin... If I take my car (a Jeep Grand Cherokee) and ram it into a crowd - I'm confident that can take out more people than I can with a gun, knife, probably even bomb. Point being, I understand not facilitating trade, but for the love of god, videos? You really want to push the right over the edge? We need guns. Legally, in the U.S. it's our right - one of t…

General population don't practice ramming car into crowd. Those are not hobbies. So, when mentally ill people want to cause harm they don't use those methods. It does not normally comes to mind.

But, shooting is common. It's a hobby. A killing machine is normalized and it becomes a culture. So, those mentally ill men feels completely normal to shoot people when they go crazy.

Consider this: ramming car into objects becomes a hobby and people starts to do that and take pride in it. They practice it every week. Then, those mentally ills will start using those methods. And then government will ban riding a car. But, this is not happening, just a hypothesis. You can replace car with other objects you can think of here.

That's why countries where gun are banned for general population, does not have mass murder by "common people" like USA. There are mentally ill people everywhere, not just in USA. This is the point gun lovers don't understand.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by themacguffinman »

nbdev wrote: post #163
Larrikin wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The logical conclusion from that train of thought is that laws have no meaning if people break the laws. So why have any laws?

Why have a society if you cannot trust the people in it to defend themselves?

Because when we organize a society, we can specialize into roles like policing and become more effective at defense as a whole?

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by aaron-lebo »

lettergram wrote: post #120

There are _so_ many ways to make a leathel weapon I can't begin... If I take my car (a Jeep Grand Cherokee) and ram it into a crowd - I'm confident that can take out more people than I can with a gun, knife, probably even bomb. Point being, I understand not facilitating trade, but for the love of god, videos? You really want to push the right over the edge? We need guns. Legally, in the U.S. it's our right - one of t…

The populaces of Syria and Ukraine have lots of guns (supplied from outside, but there), that didn't stop civil war, in fact, in may have caused it.

The Syrian government just uses barrel bombs on civilians and rebels, anyway. It's hardly a preventive measure. If the US gets to a Syria situation, there's going to be tens of thousands dead. But yay, when the world ends for those people, at least we've got firearms and can reenact The Patriot.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by thecatspaw »

plandis wrote: post #146
kevhito wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? There are more important things than the issues you cite. If losing historical content and "niche communities" having to go find new hobbies means just a coupl…

> Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? You're presenting a false dichotomy. I have seen no proven link between YouTube videos showing proper gun handling and gun violence. I say this as someone wh…

especially the 100year old rifle. Noone is going to shoot up a school with a karabiner

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by chx »

zombieprocesses wrote: post #64
yequalsx wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a gun owner. Indeed I'm very much opposed to people being able to own guns and hope that someday they will be banned in the U.S. I do understand your perspective and why this is upsetting to you. For me I see it as a step toward people being more anti-gun ownership. Societies evolve and social views change. Our views on marijuana, smoking, etc. have changed over the decades. I hope I am now seeing the beginni…

> Societies evolve and social views change. That's why we have principles and constitutional rights. So that our rights aren't taken away on a whim of societal change. I'm from NY and I've never owned a gun and I probably will never do so. But even I would be against repealing the 2nd amendment. The fact that people here are so openly talking about repealing the 2nd amendment and taking away more of our rights is rea…

> That's why we have principles and constitutional rights.

You never had a constitutional right to owe a firearm. This is legal nonsense put together relatively recently, starting as answer to the Black Panthers arming themselves and then later some politics. Please look at https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-sec...

> From 1888, when law review articles first were indexed, through 1959, every single one on the Second Amendment concluded it did not guarantee an individual right to a gun.

And, in light of recent events: everyone not turning in their own guns and campaigning strongly for reversing this nonsense is an accessory to the mass murder of children. Everyone who used their money to support the proliferation of guns have blood on their hands.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Post by [deleted] »

fwgwgwgch wrote: post #153
CydeWeys wrote: post #23

Great, so /r/gundeals, which was nothing more than a sales aggregator for law-abiding online retailers, is gone, but /r/the_donald, a vile, rampantly bigoted, conspiracy-theory-peddling shithole, is allowed to stay?

> conspiracy theory Like the Russia collision which has been dismissed by the intelligence committee? And Mueller managed to indict 13 russians that had nothing to do with trump? Or that the dossier was fabricated? Or that the fisa request was illegal and given based on evidence manufactured by Dec and Clinton campaign > vile You mean calling illegal immigration wrong, same as what oba and Hillary have done in the pa…

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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

#180

Post by hobofan »

kevhito wrote: post #125
Rebelgecko wrote: post #15

This is very dismaying to see I have used Youtube in the past for seeing how to install gun accessories, put guns together, how to fix malfunctions, etc. Watching those videos has made me a more knowledgeable, and hence more responsible gun owner. This is an especially large blow for people who are part of niche communities, like reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles. A lot of historical content will be lost. The n…

Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? There are more important things than the issues you cite. If losing historical content and "niche communities" having to go find new hobbies means just a coupl…

> I really hope that as a society we can find some way to back away from extremism.

That would include backing away from extreme censorism. Banning everything that could potentially lead to your child's death would result in banning... everything!

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