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Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

20 minutes after everyone has already figured out that they've been hit by a missile, you'd get an alert: "We are currently investigating reports of increased explosion rates."

>"We are currently investigating reports of increased explosion rates." Status lights will still all be green

All status lights were hosted on S3 and the AWS datacenters were hit first.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever looked at pictures of the aftermath of Hiroshima? People who weren't behind cover survived the immediate blast but got horrifying burns.

What happened to the people who were behind cover?

Roughly half of the population of Hiroshima survived.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Just watched an interview on CNN with the Governor of Hawaii and their director of emergency management. Pretty impressed that the director didn't throw anybody under the bus. He basically said "An employee pushed the wrong button. It's my responsibility, so this is my fault. We're going to make procedure and technical changes to make sure this doesn't happen again."

I wonder what those procedural changes could be

Could they do it so say, two people have to input a code or something from different machines, or something more physical like turning two keys, hitting a button etc

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Civilian governments would have had to get clarity from a military caught off guard. Something as simple as the appropriate official being in a meeting could introduce delays.

You keep trotting out this excuse, but the responsibility is on the people conducting the drill to plan for that possibility and you're letting them off the hook.

> the responsibility is on the people conducting the drill

Was this a drill? I understood it to be an unplanned mistake. In either case, I agree. This was a fuck-up. I am simply saying the cause for the delay, once the mistake was made, is understandable.

> You keep trotting out this excuse

This is a shitty thing to say.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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This should not happen, yet time after time we see that critical American infrastructure and systems are run worse than a pre-revenue bay area chat startup. American infrastructure needs to invest and hire/pay for the same quality that bay area startups do. Let four people go that are inept and less qualified and pay a single solid person market salary. Besides the fear and chaos potentially caused to people in Hawai…

Government projects work with contractors, either directly or through contracting agency. They pay well and have good projects. I'd venture to say that government have equal or better people than what you find in startups.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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An interesting Reddit comment described a chaotic traffic situation for 20 minutes (people running lights, wrong-side-of-the-road driving, extreme speed, etc.). Human nature in these moments is very “Tragedy of the Commons” apparently.

Just recently I spoke to my friends that literally are living in LaLa land. They are making fun of me prepping and saving dry food, water, stacking up on legal guns and munition. I took upon challenge last xmas to meetup with them and they brought my prepardness as one of laughing subjects. It really saddens me when they believe that when gloves of society are off, we all gonna be happy singing kumbaya and respecting…

Why do you think your preparation will be enough? If things do go that bad then it'll be very few people that will survive because of just how much of our mechanised infrastructure is needed to feed us.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever looked at pictures of the aftermath of Hiroshima? People who weren't behind cover survived the immediate blast but got horrifying burns.

What happened to the people who were behind cover?

If I remember correctly, others was a man in a basement only a few hundred feet from ground zero who survived relatively unscathed.

Don't underestimate the protection cover can offer!.

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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An interesting Reddit comment described a chaotic traffic situation for 20 minutes (people running lights, wrong-side-of-the-road driving, extreme speed, etc.). Human nature in these moments is very “Tragedy of the Commons” apparently.

Just recently I spoke to my friends that literally are living in LaLa land. They are making fun of me prepping and saving dry food, water, stacking up on legal guns and munition. I took upon challenge last xmas to meetup with them and they brought my prepardness as one of laughing subjects. It really saddens me when they believe that when gloves of society are off, we all gonna be happy singing kumbaya and respecting…

Thinking prepping is silly is not synonymous with believing "when gloves of society are off, we all gonna be happy singing kumbaya and respecting rules."

I think prepping is ridiculous, but it's precisely because I know the nature of humanity. (Among a bunch of other reasons.)

It's also ridiculous to think this particular incident has anything to do with, well, anything...

Re: Alert About Missile Bound for Hawaii Was Sent in Error, Officials Say

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Just watched an interview on CNN with the Governor of Hawaii and their director of emergency management. Pretty impressed that the director didn't throw anybody under the bus. He basically said "An employee pushed the wrong button. It's my responsibility, so this is my fault. We're going to make procedure and technical changes to make sure this doesn't happen again."

Kudos. That is how you manage. However my concern is that it took over 30 minutes to send another message stating it was false. Seems like they should have been able to spot their mistake almost instantly.

As I commented below, if this happened when the stock market was open, this could have had a huge impact financially. Over 30 minutes with no updates is an eternity for news to hit Wall Street and algo trades start kicking in.

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