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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by WorldMaker »

atourgates wrote: post #134
_ph_ wrote: post #121

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Yes, refuling will always be faster than recharging. That is physics. The question rather is: at which point (and for which driver profile) is it no longer a practical problem? Elektric cars already save you a lot of refuling stops in day-to-day driving, if you plug them in over night. And the Tesla supercharger network is basically almost fast enough, that it reasonably fits with the breaks one would take on long tr…

Personally, I think it's when an EV can make a 9-hour drive without needing more than about 30 minutes of total charging. 9 hours is (in my opinion) the max amount of driving you can seriously do without at least a couple hours of resting. That'd be about 540 miles total, maybe a bit less if you could make those 30 minutes of rest stops at a fast charger. Right now, EV's are clearly the future. I'd say that when they…

A problem here is everyone's personal anecdotes are different. I have an uncle that has driven 10-12 hour hauls between Kentucky and Louisiana enough that he doesn't blink at doing it all in one day, with as minimal a break as possible.

On the flipside, I know that my limit before wanting to murder people and/or feeling bone-weary exhaustion is somewhere between 4-5 hours cumulative in a day, regardless of the number and length of breaks, but overall better with at least one >30-minute break every two hours and/or 15-minute every hour. (For me, EV's are clearly the present. I'm pretty happy within their travel limits.)

There's such a huge range of extremes with what people are comfortable with.

I've also met a lot of people that need more breaks than they actually take, but don't realize that self-care advantage yet. It's possible that forced, longer recharge breaks with an EV could be a good thing for overall road health. More drivers overall with slightly more opportunities to stretch and rest could be an amazingly useful thing for US traffic and calming some long distance road rage, given the chance.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by Robotbeat »

wils1245 wrote: post #132
vanderZwan wrote: post #116

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Comments like this make me think the Model 3 is going to be the Ford Model T of electric cars.

The doubt on Tesla is not whether the cars are great, it’s whether they can scale production. You need both to be a Model T.

People had the same questions about the Model X, the Model S before that, and even the Roadster before that. In every case, Tesla eventually was able to get production up and deliver. Tesla has no problem producing enough S and Xes.

The question is not "whether" but "when."

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Post by dmode »

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

A lot of negativity towards Elon comes from the fact he has taken on a lot of deeply entrenched interests and conventional wisdom. I know a "car guy" who deeply hates Elon and hopes for Tesla's collapse, because he has invested his whole life learning about the "beauty" of the Internal Combustion Engine, how to tune it, how to improve it etc. And here comes a guy who wants to disrupt all of that with an engine that is much much simpler and challenging 100 years of research and development. Then there are people who believe electric and solar are for "greenies" and have been trained to viscerally react against anything that is related to renewable energy. He has also taken on the dealership model, the fossil fuel industry, utilities, launch companies etc. You get the picture.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by _ea1k »

vanderZwan wrote: post #116
InTheArena wrote: post #50

I drove the Model 3 last week. It’s a properly good car in it’s own right - It reminded me of the MOdel 3 from BMS in how it handles, of course the performance curve is totally different. The rethinking of the dashboard is perfect for the cell phone age. It’s Apple Good (back when Apple was good). The performance curve - the instant power at any point is addicting. The seats were comfortable, and the trunk space was…

Comments like this make me think the Model 3 is going to be the Ford Model T of electric cars.

From looking at their roadmap, I think that it may be more like the BMW 3 series of electric cars, or maybe the BMW 2002 of electric cars.

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Post by Robotbeat »

cornholio wrote: post #155
tzahola wrote: post #93

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Congrats! Elon could have got away with it, but you connected the dots. He will be forced to resign any day now.

He's the last technology patriarch. Practically a dinosaur from the age where women were not allowed to study STEM. AND HE MARRIES ONLY SUPERMODELS, how's that for a smoking gun of oppression?

The President (i.e. the highest position other than Elon himself) of SpaceX is Gwynne Shotwell; please tell me how Elon is all about oppression of women.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by dmode »

arkh wrote: post #112

How much time spent charging? Charging time is what make petrol win. Drive 500 miles, take 5mn to charge up and you're good for 500 more miles. Until EV can do this (surely through charging stations like petrol cars) they won't good at anything more than daily commute if you can plug your car at at home and at work. So battery technology is where the interest should be. We already know how to make efficient electric…

IMO, charging time is a non issue for people with personal garages. I have owned a Model S for a year, and the only time charging time is a factor is when I am doing long road trips. For everyday use, my car gets charged overnight in my garage. I am actually very happy that I have to never make that weekly drive to the gas station.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by mikrosift »

kumarvvr wrote: post #14

There is so much negativity about Tesla. Watching Tesla reminds of the the quote "We hoped for flying cars, but what we got was 140 characters" (or something similar, I don't remember it verbatim) Every time I think about Tesla, I am reminded of the thousands of brilliant engineers toiling away in Silicon Valley trying to optimize online advertising. Maybe we could be a bit more closer to Fusion energy, maybe we coul…

>There is so much negativity about Tesla.

We must live on different planets, because I can't go a single day without hearing about some product they may or may not build at some point in the future. This is one of the most hyped up companies I've ever seen (mostly deservedly).

>Here is a guy who is scarily close to being a real-life Iron Man

Really? Scary close? I'd say not remotely close.

>I really feel sorry for Musk.

Really?

>Looking back, the true value addition by SV will be companies like Tesla, Solar City & SpaceX

SpaceX for sure. Tesla, maybe. SolarCity? What did they do except destroy a bunch of investor's money?

Edit: Downvoted before I could even fix a typo. This place is embarrassing to read sometimes..."Real life Iron Man", "feel sorry for Elon Musk".

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by cornholio »

Robotbeat wrote: post #175
cornholio wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's the last technology patriarch. Practically a dinosaur from the age where women were not allowed to study STEM. AND HE MARRIES ONLY SUPERMODELS, how's that for a smoking gun of oppression?

The President (i.e. the highest position other than Elon himself) of SpaceX is Gwynne Shotwell; please tell me how Elon is all about oppression of women.

sheesh... take a joke people

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by Robotbeat »

cornholio wrote: post #178
Robotbeat wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The President (i.e. the highest position other than Elon himself) of SpaceX is Gwynne Shotwell; please tell me how Elon is all about oppression of women.

sheesh... take a joke people

Poe's Law.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by default-kramer »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #154
maxxxxx wrote: post #115

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The main skill of Cannonball is to be more reckless than others and see what you can get away with. I don't want to meet some sleep deprived and probably drugged up "racers" on the road. If they want endurance they can do a 24 hour race. If they want a difficult track they can go to the Nuerburgring in Germany and do the 24 our race there. Or just try it in the wet.

No, the main skill is planning. Whether or not you're endangering other people it's hard to cover lots of miles quickly on roads with other people. Nobody who's serious about a good time is going to be on a crowded road. It's a waste of time. You have to balance your route planning between weather, peak commuter hour, shortest route, fuel stops, speed traps, etc, across a few thousand miles and a few time zones. The…

> The biggest risk to "others" is that when traveling much faster light traffic you have little margin for error if someone in that traffic does something dumb.

The speed limit exists partially because "dumb things" are inevitable. A driver who ignores this inevitability is at least as guilty as the driver who did the "dumb thing."

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