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It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by cpeterso »

482794793792894 wrote: post #45

> It’s no secret that Mozilla squandered a lot of time and energy on various projects that went nowhere (think its mobile phone OS, IoT services, creating a built-in video chat service, etc.). The "built-in video chat service" is a webstandard. Called WebRTC, got mainly pushed by Google. Every modern browser implements this. Mozilla just decided to build a service which implements the server-side of this protocol. Wh…

The WebRTC servers for the "Firefox Hello" service were maintained by Telefonica. Mozilla just built the front-end UI and WebRTC client.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by nickrivadeneira »

lishzen wrote: post #164
starrychloe wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Profits pay your salary, commie.

I think you're joking but it's the third time I heard someone say something like this today, so... profits don't pay your salary, your work pays for it.

Work with no profits (or revenue) would likely mean no salary. On the other hand, profits with no work sounds like a great situation.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by throwaway613834 »

rspeer wrote: post #80
throwaway613834 wrote: post #47

Does the upcoming Firefox start as fast as Chrome? Rendering was never what I had problems with; startup speed is literally the one reason why I haven't switched.

There's still that "Firefox is installing updates" modal that shows up the first time you launch the new version. But after that bad first impression, launching Firefox 57 is very snappy.

Hm, I just installed it. It's fine enough, it's just not quite matching Chrome or otherwise what I would call snappy (I have a relatively high bar for that). Though now my main problems with it are that my extensions don't work and Gmail threads appears way too big for some reason.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by cpeterso »

maxxxxx wrote: post #107

FF56 has a weird problem. It seems all keyboard shortcuts are extremely slow with a delay of several seconds. For example closing a tab with "X" is fast, but pressing "Command+W" causes several seconds delay. Has anyone else seen this problem?

Maybe check the macOS Activity Monitor or top to see if there are any processes hogging the CPU.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by richdougherty »

quesera wrote: post #56
richdougherty wrote: post #11

Just switched to Firefox beta to test this out. Looking good so far! The other thing that I've been waiting for is better multi-profile support. You can get a (pre-release) version of that now by opting into the Containers experiment: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/containers

Firefox has has profiles since well before the first version of Chrome was released. Unfortunately the UI has always been sort of hidden. You can launch with `-P` or `-ProfileManager` to get a profile selection menu. Or nav to `about:profiles` for a slightly more convenient (but less attractive) version. Firefox profiles are great. Better than Chrome profiles, though less convenient, for now. Interested to see how Co…

I used to use those profiles on Firefox - custom launchers in Debian. I did find them less convenient that Chrome, especially on Mac, so I switched to Chrome.

Firefox's new Containers aren't perfect, but I'm giving them a go and since they're in testing still I can submit feedback to influence their direction.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by digi_owl »

ATsch wrote: post #103
hdhzy wrote: post #51

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Not to mention Firefox for Android that supports extensions (uBlock etc.).

Unfortunately, for me at least, it's not a viable option. Firefox on android still feels significantly more sluggish than chrome. Plus, googles questionable business practice of embedding chrome into many apps, while making opening links very fast, adds another three clicks to someone not using chrome.

Best i can tell, Firefox is doing something on Android during first (cold?) launch that just chugs the storage. The really problem source is that all this is stored in the cache dir for the app, and that can and will be flushed at irregular intervals. This resulting in Firefox doing it over again next time it is launched.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by digi_owl »

agumonkey wrote: post #151
hdhzy wrote: post #51

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Not to mention Firefox for Android that supports extensions (uBlock etc.).

I now use Firefox Focus as default html viewer for links. Very good.

That's basically a wrapper around Webview, that in turn is chrome based...

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by whyenot »

"Internt for people, not for profit"

This is a great slogan, but actions speak louder than words. Why hasn't FF implemented basic privacy protections and block trackers like Safari does? If Firefox is really "for people," this seems like an area they should be leading in. A cynic (like me) might suggest that it is because Mozilla has become utterly dependent on ad revenue for their survival.

Long gone are the days when Mozilla was funded by donations and t-shirt sales. There was a time when it was more than just a browser maker, it was the spearhead of an internet movement for open source. I miss those days.

Re: It’s time to give Firefox another chance

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Post by JamesFM »

freehunter wrote: post #94
teleproto wrote: post #74

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Citation needed. Google Analytcs and ads are so widely that most of your browsing will be tracked regardless of browser, even regardless of your search engine (but the search engine is also quite major since they can track what you were trying to search for before jumping into the web). But there's also a privacy policy explaining what chrome actually sends: https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/

>Citation needed. A company known for tracking the ever-loving shit out of everyone across the Internet distributes a best-in-class web browser absolutely for free. If that's not enough, I really hope you're able to hold on to that innocence as you start using the Internet more and more in the future.

Sorry to go off on you because this is a larger issue then your comment but seriously, can we hold this discussion to a higher standard?

Prove to me that Google is tracking me through Chrome. Link me to an article with proof of collection.

Most of us our developers here, surely we can apply some more rigor to this conversation then “we know Google is doing this because it’s Google”.

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