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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by Mz »

551199 wrote: post #160
daxorid wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Yep, US has been bombing and droning many of these countries and people coming in should be taken without any knowledge who they are or what are their intentions? Trump just signed action for 5 year lobbying plan. Looks like he deliver once more. It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion.

Get enough karma to downvote and flag, and then flag what you think needs to be flagged. That's how the process works.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by grzm »

551199 wrote: post #160
daxorid wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Yep, US has been bombing and droning many of these countries and people coming in should be taken without any knowledge who they are or what are their intentions? Trump just signed action for 5 year lobbying plan. Looks like he deliver once more. It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion.

It's shameful HN doesn't flag posts calling Trump and his supporters nazis, homophobic and other names. While any dissident about liberals is flagged/downvoted to oblivion.

Every group on HN notices things that appear to be against them. It's normal human bias. I've seen plenty of flagging/down-voting going on all sides of various issues.

If you legitimately are interested to dig into this more, there are at least two different HN APIs available for you to mine the comments on the site. I'd be interested in the results if you chose to do so.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by bajsejohannes »

WildUtah wrote: post #155
macintux wrote: post #142

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Not sure where you got that information, but it contradicts everything I've ever heard. Cuba's been for a long time the only country the US won't allow its citizens to visit (head, meet desk); North Korea is, so far as I know, the only country that actively prevents US citizens from visiting, although that may be a misrepresentation of the facts on the ground. Anyway, http://uncorneredmarket.com/american-travel-iran/…

US citizens can visit Iran—at Iranian discretion—with a state minder the same way US citizens can travel to North Korea. You can't travel freely and you can't travel without personal scrutiny ('extreme vetting') from Iranian officials.

Citation? I know from personal experience that this is not the case for non-US citizens.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by oculusthrift »

codybrown wrote: post #153

I wonder what YC Part Time Partner Peter Thiel thinks of this...

why would he care? hes a libertarian. he doesn't care unless it directly affects his pocketbook and even then he can just go to new zealand.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by michaelchisari »

WildUtah wrote: post #146
klenwell wrote: post #60

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> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected. NBC News reports[0]: The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to impl…

Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do. If you poll this issue, you'll find at least 80% of Americans don't care how inconvenient our immigration pol…

if they could be reassured it would go no further than that.

We're 6 days in. At this point, can anyone really assure them of that?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by facetube »

refurb wrote: post #162
facetube wrote: post #147

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False equivalence. Obama did not ban a country or religion wholesale. This is a substantial and disturbing step in the reckless anti-fact, anti-science, anti-truth administration of Donald John Trump.

False equivalence. I never stated their were equivalent, but the silence pre-Trump about immigration issues was deafening.

Which immigration issues specifically? The net migration to Mexico is an outflow, and the US continues to have one of the longest and most extensive refugee/asylum vetting processes in the world. What specifically should change?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by _delirium »

appleiigs wrote: post #42
_delirium wrote: post #39

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I believe 46% is less than 50%, and therefore a minority. Not a tiny minority, but nonetheless a minority.

If you want to be pedantic, a minority voted for Hillary too.

Correct! And I think it's also correct, non-pedantically, to say that only a minority of Americans agreed with the policies proposed by either Clinton or Trump.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by finid »

When I was in grad school, most of the grad students in virtually all the science and engineering depts were foreign students.

And what most people don't realize is that without grad students, most research will be severely impacted. So if this continues at the rate it's going, we begin to lose foreign grad students to other countries.

I hope this ends well, but I have my doubts.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by trendia »

e1g wrote: post #11
tyfon wrote: post #7

A friendly reminder from over the pond (that is Europe). https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392 You need to speak up now, or one does not know where this will end.

> "First they came for the Socialists..." Yep, and we are already all the way up to "arresting 6 journalists covering public protests against the unpopular ruler"

My understanding of that event is that protestors were starting fires and the police arrested 230 people near the incident. Of those 6 were journalists. I think that's somewhat different than police targeting journalists for their viewpoints, of which I don't see evidence.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by michaelchisari »

maxerickson wrote: post #103
daxorid wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

It was obviously poorly planned. And it is pretty capricious. But yeah, he did repeatedly say he would do it.

Which is why people were protesting the day after the inauguration.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

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