Interesting idea, but clicking on a temporally stable subset of ads would be way harder to deal with than a user session that clicks on all ads.
AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
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Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regarding #3, I'm personally 100% against any online advertising in any form. So this punishes those who support it. Ditto for #2. As for #1, I'm not gaining anything, and no one is being deprived for their rights. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there? If anything prosecutors should start with the rampant fraud being committed by companies in the online advertising space before they even think about lo…
Micropayments have never worked well on the internet, not for technical problems, but likely more that the market isn't really there. I know I just want free stuff and I'm not going to pay to read a news article or blog post no matter how well written or researched. So at the end of the day there is still no viable alternative to advertising supported content. Kill advertising and you'll take the content with it, bec…
I for one think killing content is a good thing. The web is full of garbage and it would be great to rid of 90% of it. Content for the sake of content does not deserve to exist.
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
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It creates opportunity for disruption. The established players see their costs go up and effectiveness go down. A new player comes in who has non-obtrusive ads, and sees outsized success. Everyone else either dies off or fast-follows. I'm curious how The Deck is doing these days, seemed like they could have been that player.
So lets imagine somehow beyond all odds this doesn't result in escalation and actually has the effect you describe; How does AdNuseum detect the good from the bad? How does a "good" advertiser submit themselves to some kind of whitelist? How does AdNuseum verify the advertisers claims?
> How does AdNuseum detect the good from the bad?
It doesn't. Or it gets evolved until it does, but there's no incentive to do that while there are very little "good" ads.
> How does a "good" advertiser submit themselves to some kind of whitelist?
They don't, that's the point. As AdNauseam currently works, there are no good advertisers, and for now it's a good enough heuristic. Any ad with an active component is a legitimate target.
> How does AdNuseum verify the advertisers claims?
It doesn't. It does not care.
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may seem nice at the beginning, but as you saturate the service with fake clicks, the PPC value will drop to near-zero.
Some keywords are so competitive that they have PPC rates that are close to $100 PER CLICK For example, anything related to pyramid schemes like Xango, Avon, etc. Keyword space is SUPER competitive for "indenependent distributors" and so their PPC rates are through the roof
MLMs seem like one of the best target for indiscriminate application of AdNauseam, for more than one reason.
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
It creates opportunity for disruption. The established players see their costs go up and effectiveness go down. A new player comes in who has non-obtrusive ads, and sees outsized success. Everyone else either dies off or fast-follows. I'm curious how The Deck is doing these days, seemed like they could have been that player.
So lets imagine somehow beyond all odds this doesn't result in escalation and actually has the effect you describe; How does AdNuseum detect the good from the bad? How does a "good" advertiser submit themselves to some kind of whitelist? How does AdNuseum verify the advertisers claims?
AdBlock Plus is already doing this: https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads
It might just lead to escalation, it has so far. The point is there is a plausible way forward. It's the story of countless industries, just because it hasn't happened yet for this one doesn't mean it won't ever.
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think micro-payments just don't sit well with people psychologically. Even if you know the totals are going to be tiny, being on a meter just adds mental overhead to every click. And moreover most of the time people don't know if something is worth paying for until they've seen it, and they probably resent paying for some things.
Maybe mini-payments would be better than micro-payments, so long as there's a good it-just-works technology for doing them that minimizes user interaction. Did you like this comment? Leave a tip: 50c - $1 - $5
That actually can work:
http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/11/how-to-make-...
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
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> So you just follow random links people send you? That seems like a horrible waste of your most precious commodity. See my point about social objects. > YouTube offers a way to pay for an ad free experience. Are you a paying member? They don't offer it in my country, so no. But I do am a paying subscriber of Netflix, Spotify and Amazon Prime Video, FWIW.
So you're willing to trade your time for feeling connected? That's a shame. They offer Prime video in Poland? I don't even think we get it in Australia :/
> So you're willing to trade your time for feeling connected?
Well, yes - that's life, basically :). Writing a comment here is also me trading time for feeling connected ;).
> That's a shame. They offer Prime video in Poland? I don't even think we get it in Australia :/
I'm surprised, I thought Australia is usually right after US in such things. As for Poland, they've started offering it something like a week ago. I signed up immediately after I learned about it, mostly because I wanted to watch "The Man in the High Castle".
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe mini-payments would be better than micro-payments, so long as there's a good it-just-works technology for doing them that minimizes user interaction. Did you like this comment? Leave a tip: 50c - $1 - $5
The history of the web is littered with the corpses of tipping companies because almost no one wants to tip on the web. Same for micropayments. No one wants to think about if they should pay for an article even if it is only 1c.
I think it is littered with the corpses of tipping companies because no one wants to jump through hoops to use a proprietary tipping service. But if you go with pay pal, you can get tips:
http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2015/11/how-to-make-...
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would I pay YouTube for an ad free experience, when I already have an ad free experience?
I'm not saying YOU would. I'm saying the people saying they would happily pay for an ad free have the choice to and their choice to use an adblocker instead of paying says a lot about their actual beliefs than their claims on forums.
I for one would pay YouTube for an ad-free, smooth and offline-cacheable experience. At least now, that I have spare cash.
There is a rarely discussed topic of access for people who don't have funds or means to obtain it - like myself 10 years ago. It's tangential to ad blocking discussion, but a reason why I'm not sure if a pay-per-view Internet would be a good idea in general.
Oh, and if it helps me look better - I'm not really "ad blocking" per se, I'm doing responsive administration of my secondary OS (i.e. the browser) resources by using uMatrix, which makes me put some up-front decisionmaking work about which requests are or are not allowed on any page I visit ;). But it's fun, and I get to see how more and more insane the web is becoming :).
Re: AdNauseam: Fight Back Against Advertising Networks and Privacy Abuse
#180Good. I'm done being nice to advertisers. They are actively poisoning the internet in more ways than one. They had their chance to work out better ways to advertise, and they instead redoubled assaults on attention. This is getting installed on all of my browsers on all of my PCs. If your startup is advertising based, find a different model, or do without my business. I have no obligation to help you fund yourself or…
What I'd really like is something that uses stylometry to track astroturfer comments, shills, fake news authors, advertisements parading as news, and PR campaigns, etc. Then just have those articles identified on places like Hacker News, Reddit, etc. Optional to block them if you want.
Keep a list of identified writers/writer 'styles' that are penned by fraudsters. Like easy-list is for ads.
That'd be the only way to clean up to the net. For a while at least.