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Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by calibraxis »

maradydd wrote: post #148
calibraxis wrote: post #47

From one of Moldbug's many vocal supporters at a "Founders Fund-sponsored retreat": "It was really quite lovely. Later that day, in the jeep to the ranch house where everyone was staying, he started up with the casual racism, and everyone ignored him." ( https://twitter.com/maradydd/status/606799534983770112 ) The status quo: highly funded white people in a ranch house, obsessive dreams of white supremacy floating in…

Hi. That's me you're quoting. > The status quo: highly funded white people in a ranch house, obsessive dreams of white supremacy floating into the night... Were you there? If not, then you're projecting. As it happens, the participants were at best plurality white. And no, the PoC weren't all Asians either. Also, because Twitter requires short statements, there are multiple readings of "ignored" there. I see you're t…

> I see you're taking the least charitable one, i.e., "everyone let it slide." That interpretation is incorrect. People stopped talking to him.

Good, because I used your interpretation: silence. You silently enabled a white supremacy propagandist.

Of course, you're certainly NOT silent when it's time to support him. (Despite your own evidence of his history of "casual racism" at a professional networking event.)

So you're oddly quiet with white supremacy: you "stopped talking". But god forbid you "ignore" when a conference right next to Ferguson (StrangeLoop) declined to help promote a white supremacist's influence!

(Hell, if I mocked people's favorite programming language or text editor, I'd almost certainly get a vocal reaction. Mild rebuke at least. Says everything about techies' priorities.)

> As it happens, the participants were at best plurality white. And no, the PoC weren't all Asians either.

That's interestingly vague: were these participants to Moldbug's "casual racism"? I imagined he only did this with obviously sympathetic audiences like you.

(And what does "the PoC weren't all Asians" exactly mean? For someone berating others for interpretations you don't like, you leave open a wide range of interpretations.)

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by 13thLetter »

zahmahkibo wrote: post #169
13thLetter wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example, the view that people should be prevented from earning a living if they have the wrong political opinions.

No one is obligated to like you or associate with you, doubly so if you have political beliefs that would likely result in their slavery. Community sanctions are part of what it means to be human.

Along the same lines, no one is obligated to like you or associate with you, doubly so if you have political beliefs that would likely result in their being unable to earn a living in their field.

> Community sanctions are part of what it means to be human.

But not the only part, or even the most important part. (And as long as we're getting philosophical, just because they're part of what it means to be human doesn't mean they're always admirable. Prejudice against outsiders is also part of what it means to be human, after all.)

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by [deleted] »

calibraxis wrote: post #127
hga wrote: post #125

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He says the single word which best describes him is small c communist, so at best this sort of anarchism is a violent tactic, and historically a very unwise one. And would be a quickly lethal one in the well armed US.

It's good to be cautious when people say they believe in "democracy" or "communism". (Does democracy mean killing people for billionaires and their 4-year king? Serious democracy proponents must say things like "bottom-up democracy." Same with communism: does it mean marxism/maoism/leninism/stalinism?) Anyway, anarchists generally strive towards communism, if that means an advanced future society where you're free fr…

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Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by 13thLetter »

Jweb_Guru wrote: post #154
kevinburke wrote: post #150

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Search Google, Twitter, or send me an email. I'm not going to link to hate speech here.

This entire thread is a pretty depressing indictment of the sorts of people who hang out on HN. Seriously, nobody should care about offending Curtis Yarvin or any of his ilk.

Yarvin and his "ilk" aren't the ones complaining about being offended here.

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by calibraxis »

mcantelon wrote: post #158
calibraxis wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good to be cautious when people say they believe in "democracy" or "communism". (Does democracy mean killing people for billionaires and their 4-year king? Serious democracy proponents must say things like "bottom-up democracy." Same with communism: does it mean marxism/maoism/leninism/stalinism?) Anyway, anarchists generally strive towards communism, if that means an advanced future society where you're free fr…

Anarchists don't generally strive towards communism because they recognize what history shows: communist states are even less accountable than modern oligarchal democracy.

Communist "state" is an oxymoron: "the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism)

Please google these basic terms before you engage in character assassination. As you did with Klabnik. (On topics like this, HN comments don't even rise to the factual rigor of YouTube comments.)

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by calibraxis »

calibraxis wrote: post #127
hga wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He says the single word which best describes him is small c communist, so at best this sort of anarchism is a violent tactic, and historically a very unwise one. And would be a quickly lethal one in the well armed US.

It's good to be cautious when people say they believe in "democracy" or "communism". (Does democracy mean killing people for billionaires and their 4-year king? Serious democracy proponents must say things like "bottom-up democracy." Same with communism: does it mean marxism/maoism/leninism/stalinism?) Anyway, anarchists generally strive towards communism, if that means an advanced future society where you're free fr…

(Quick clarification: "advanced future society" is misleading. For instance, consider primitivists.)

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by ubertaco »

zahmahkibo wrote: post #141
ubertaco wrote: post #128

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So what you're saying is, you're cool with discrimination, so long as it's not against you. So when someone decides to hold a dev conference but chooses to disallow any gay/lesbian developers, is that also totally okay?

Yes, I am perfectly okay with discriminating against Nazis. Since when is ALL discrimination bad? I discriminate against shitty people all the time, and so do you. Don't even pretend you don't, no one will believe you.

>and so do you. Don't even pretend you don't, no one will believe you.

You're projecting a bit. I try hard -- consciously -- not to shut down and shut out people who need grace as much as I do (either more or less externally-visibly).

Your own code of ethics is not universal. There are people who think and operate differently from you.

Which is exactly the point of not discriminating whenever it's avoidable.

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by mcantelon »

calibraxis wrote: post #175
mcantelon wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anarchists don't generally strive towards communism because they recognize what history shows: communist states are even less accountable than modern oligarchal democracy.

Communist "state" is an oxymoron: "the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism ) Please google these basic terms before you engage in character assassination. As you did with Klabnik. (On topics like this, HN comments don't even rise to the factu…

How does theoretical common ownership of the state mean a state doesn't exist? Do you have any examples of this theoretical non-state communist society? Has it ever existed at any scale?

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by calibraxis »

mcantelon wrote: post #178
calibraxis wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Communist "state" is an oxymoron: "the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism ) Please google these basic terms before you engage in character assassination. As you did with Klabnik. (On topics like this, HN comments don't even rise to the factu…

How does theoretical common ownership of the state mean a state doesn't exist? Do you have any examples of this theoretical non-state communist society? Has it ever existed at any scale?

These are among the most common anarchism 101 questions. FAQs exist; why not google for yourself? (Or speaking of capitalism, pay someone to educate you rather than expect uncompensated labor. I've done enough unpaid work resulting from your character assassination.)

Re: Wrestling With Inclusion at LambdaConf

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Post by danrisso3 »

kps wrote: post #30
passing-through wrote: post #5

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

And out of curiosity, who is the firing-squad person?

Let's not forget Jon Sterling, linguist, software engineer, amateur mathematician (okay at it), the organizer of the [PrlConf](http://www.jonprl.org/prlconf.html) subconference (note the unsubtle red star), well-known communist and [murder advocate](https://twitter.com/jonsterling/status/707424802496090113).
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