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Re: Refugees Welcome

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post #138

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Allowing refugees is a feel good band aid. Yes it does directly benefit those who gain asylum but it does nothing to help the majority left behind. The real solution is to make positive changes in their homelands, bg force if necessary. This dilly dallying helps no one except radicals bent on violence and the corrupt regimes and Russia's meddling. Europe needs to do something. Sometimes you do need violence to make t…

And the refugees would MUCH MUCH prefer to be in their own homeland with their family/friends/culture.

Why am I downvoted? They were forced out from their home due to the conflicts. They are not out on a vacation trip.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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post #138
post #130

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

Allowing refugees is a feel good band aid. Yes it does directly benefit those who gain asylum but it does nothing to help the majority left behind. The real solution is to make positive changes in their homelands, bg force if necessary. This dilly dallying helps no one except radicals bent on violence and the corrupt regimes and Russia's meddling. Europe needs to do something. Sometimes you do need violence to make t…

So what do you suggest, funding ISIS or...? I like how, since al-Assad is "evil", the ISIS is "better"

Re: Refugees Welcome

#173
post #114

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Sounds like a great start. When are you going fulltime with it? "It" being letting homeless people crash at your house all the time.

It's intellectually dishonest to presuppose that the only way to support destitute people is to personally let them into your home.

It's intellectually dishonest to suggest that people let the destitute into their own homes, but not for people to suggest the same for your home?

It's easy to suggest how someone else's resources (time, money, and effort) should be handled but it's something else to do it yourself.

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#174
post #112

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A relevant part of "this group", if you talk about refugees from Syria, actually is Christian or secular/atheist. And many of them who are even Muslim actually share a bunch of questionable views of women and gays with conservative German Christians.

Did’t think there were enough Germans that are conservative and/or Christian anymore?

Not that that is the whole story but the governing party is called the "Christian Democratic Union of Germany"

Re: Refugees Welcome

#175

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees.

Why, do you want to see a lot of dead refugees? Because that's where all of this is heading. It'll happen in Europe first, since they have a stronger sense of national identity than most Americans, so we get a preview of what will happen here. Germans have started attacking refugee centers. Anti-immigration political parties are rising in popularity with shocking speed throughout Europe. The Greek and Italian coast guards have quietly started to sink refugee boats coming from Africa. It'll take the US a little longer to get there, but when small town America starts to feel unsafe in their own communities, their reaction will not be peaceful.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#176
post #130

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

Well, why don't you house some homeless people at your place then? This is a non argument, that tries to derail the discussion.

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#177
post #98

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As many as we can?

We aren't even able to take care of all the poor people that are already here, and you think we can accommodate millions more?

I'm positive FED will be able to print some more money, there's always enough for military actions in middle East in the first place.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#178
post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

You just went full retard.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#179
post #130

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

Its an attempt to avoid the long term consequences of population contraction. Most heads of state and policy pushers seek to, at minimum, ensure their country keeps its current level of global influence & power. Generally this holds true whether one is right or left, but some ideological views result in different policies.

A population contraction breaks most existing economic models. You can't borrow money for infrastructure improvements. Tax revenues shrink. Housing prices go down.

The more cynical observer may suspect that its an attempt to break some of the social welfare systems and replace them with more capitalistic alternatives. I'm not sure that is a goal. Perhaps to some it is. In the mid term most certainly you will have to spread about the same amount of resources to a larger number of end users. Two or three generations forward, there should be more resources and economic wealth to make up for this.

An even more cynical observer may believe that the US is trying to destabilize the Middle East because this could have a negative influence on the great powers which threaten global American dominance -- Russia, China, and Europe. There may not be any logistical way for Europe to throttle the influx of refugees. Rather than setting policy Europe is just trying to manage it the best they can. The fall of dictatorships in the Middle East and rise of religious fundamentalism may have been totally inevitable.

The above is all speculation. However, do I believe Western nations accept refugees solely out of kindness and an unwavering moral standing? Probably not.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#180
post #130

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km. I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the stre…

Personally, I'm not sure what "my own people" would be: over the years I've noticed that the idea of one's own people has a tendency to be non-reciprocal. Every Angus is a true Scottsman until he's not.
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