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July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by elektromekatron »

beauzero wrote: post #70
elektromekatron wrote: post #29

I find it continually amazing how many people find NASA sending rockets into space all the time to be an expected and everyday part of modern life, but then don't trust them with a thermometer.

NOAA NASA

The global temperature results are often presented as NASA, NOAA in dual briefings, though sometimes the other way round, probably depends whose turn it is to book the hotel - https://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/january/nasa-determines-2014...

They do individual analyses, but by and large, NASA manages the kit.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by Oletros »

downandout wrote: post #144
patrickaljord wrote: post #109

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I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Besides, I don't understand why it's ok for liberals to make fun of conservatives using "extreme snow" during winter as an argument against climate change but that liberals using exceptional heat during summer as an argument for climate change is ok. A few months of extra cold or heat is not enough to prove or disprove climate change. Last…

> I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Global warming and climate change are one in the same. "Global warming" became the rallying cry for so many environmentalist quacks citing bunk science - people like Al Gore were universally skewered in the mainstream media - that it was toxic from a PR perspective. So they came up with a new term. "Climate change" has the exact same beli…

> So they came up with a new term. "Climate change" has the exact same beliefs, political backers, scientists, corporate interests, and studies behind it as "global warming". It's just a new name.

Strange then that "climate change" name predates "global warming"

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by sanderjd »

logfromblammo wrote: post #142
sanderjd wrote: post #87

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I've always found it incredibly frustrating that both sides focus so much on "is it caused by people". It makes things personal, it sounds to many people like an accusation – " you're ruining the world just by living your life" – which (understandably!) makes people defensive, and it's completely beside the point. There are only two relevant questions: 1. Is it happening? and 2. What can we do right now to fix it? Th…

The question I would like answered is "What is the optimal mean surface temperature of the Earth?" It's hard for me to get all worked up over climate change when no one can tell me whether the observations indicate a trend towards or away from an overall improvement. It's easy to show that things are changing. It's slightly more difficult to show that such changes are resulting from human activity. But no one seems t…

I think what you mean is: "What is the optimal mean surface temperature of the Earth" for human civilization as we know it? In which case that still seems like the wrong question to me. The right question is, in what ways will projected changes in the climate affect our civilization, are those changes unacceptably bad, and if so, what can we do to mitigate them? We should also absolutely be considering the affect on other species and thinking about how to protect them as well.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by Oletros »

[deleted] wrote: post #161
edgyswingset wrote: post #111

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It's widely accepted in the scientific that specific occurrences such as the ozone hole above Antarctica are created as a result of human activity in the past 50 years.

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Are you really asking that?

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Post by lotharbot »

m_fayer wrote: post #102
caseysoftware wrote: post #72

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Well, if you accept that humans are a major cause of global warming, the equation becomes pretty simple: Limit human behavior or limit the number of humans. Both have scary ramifications.

The idea that limiting human behavior is a scary concept makes no sense to me. We limit human behavior all the time because resources are finite and because the immediate interests of the individual may be detrimental to wider society. It's called rule of law.

In living memory, "rule of law" has included the holocaust, gulags, forced sterilization of the handicapped, forced abortion, police brutality directed against minorities, and various other forms of tyranny and injustice. Many times those things are described by the government as "in the best interests of the people".

Those are the associations some people have with the line "limiting human behavior". Of course that's a rather one-sided presentation -- I've left out positive things like "ending slavery" -- but the point is to demonstrate where the fear comes from.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by downandout »

Oletros wrote: post #172
downandout wrote: post #144

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> I don't think it's called global warming anymore, it's called climate change. Global warming and climate change are one in the same. "Global warming" became the rallying cry for so many environmentalist quacks citing bunk science - people like Al Gore were universally skewered in the mainstream media - that it was toxic from a PR perspective. So they came up with a new term. "Climate change" has the exact same beli…

> So they came up with a new term. "Climate change" has the exact same beliefs, political backers, scientists, corporate interests, and studies behind it as "global warming". It's just a new name. Strange then that "climate change" name predates "global warming"

The term may have been in use before, but it wasn't widely adopted by the global warming people until global warming became widely known as the near-exclusive domain of environmental extremists.

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Post by marcusgarvey »

mikeash wrote: post #116
marcusgarvey wrote: post #85

For those who believe that climate change is real, and a significant threat to our longevity on this planet, would you please view / read this and share your thoughts? http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=... I don't believe defeatism is helpful, but I got a very Prince "Party Like It's 1999" feeling after consuming this. What should we do? If we pull all the fossil fuels out of our economy tom…

What we should do is transition away from fossil fuels as quickly as is reasonably possible. Not simply pull them all at once, because that won't help anything as you say, but start moving smartly in that direction. Fortunately we already are, even if not as quickly as we'd like. I think in the next few years we'll see rapid change as solar panels and batteries become cheap enough to compete with traditional energy o…

Thanks for the thoughtful comment. As for this point: >I think in the next few years we'll see rapid change as solar panels and batteries become cheap enough to compete with traditional energy on their own terms.

I'm unsure how the recent slide in oil prices is effecting the comparative competitiveness of fossils vs. renewables. Not helpful, I imagine.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by rnovak »

elif wrote: post #160
rnovak wrote: post #97

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It's all linked together, and while that statement had nothing to do with temperature, the same can be said in my area with regard to that. Also, if a meteorologist can't get the current state of the weather correct, why on earth would I trust his statement of what the temperature is going to be like? At that point I'm just going to consider it a guess.

It seems like your anecdote is quite beside the point here... as the comparison to forecasts was only illustrative of the fact that these models are not perfect representations of reality... In reality, the models are derived using different methods by different scientists.

No, it really isn't. My point is that you can't draw conclusions to an accuracy greater than what is afforded to you by your prediction model, whether it's fore or aft. That's pretty on the point.

Re: July 2015 was warmest month ever recorded

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Post by Oletros »

downandout wrote: post #177
Oletros wrote: post #172

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> So they came up with a new term. "Climate change" has the exact same beliefs, political backers, scientists, corporate interests, and studies behind it as "global warming". It's just a new name. Strange then that "climate change" name predates "global warming"

The term may have been in use before, but it wasn't widely adopted by the global warming people until global warming became widely known as the near-exclusive domain of environmental extremists.

The term was used by the scientists, that is what counts.
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