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Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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post #55

Does anyone else have a feeling of total alienation from the people and behaviours described in this article? I certainly do.

Oh, good, here's my subthread. Yeah, total alienation just about describes it. Here I am, pretty happily committed and in love, wondering what the hell people are going on about casual sex apps for.

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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post #130

> “For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Armstrong, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’…

Absolutely. Monogamy advantages non-alpha males, to the disadvantage of most women. Women want to mate with the leader of the pack; if all females mate and carry the children of the one leader, all other males don't mate _at all, ever_. Many (not all, but many) animal mammal societies work like this, and there are strong indications humans were wired to work like this too. Some human cultures still use that form of r…

> Some human cultures still use that form of reproductive organization.

Citation needed. In what culture "all females mate and carry the children of the one leader, all other males don't mate _at all, ever", or anything even close to this?

By contrast, there are a lot of cultures (eg. India, the Arab/Muslim world) where marriage is societally more or less obligatory.

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did he get laid eventually?

The guy at my Uni would stand stand at the door when they closed the Uni bar every Friday night and proposition every girl as they filed out the door. Every one. Never failed to score. He had no standards, but was amazing to watch. He was Danish, we called it the 'Scando Sweep'.

Did he actually bluntly ask "Will you have sex with me?".

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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post #149

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People like to complain even when they create their own problems.

This is the kind of mentality that allows Wall Street and Silicon Valley to take advantage of people, who don't know any better what problems they are creating for themselves. With it "smart" people, don't have to feel responsible for what they get "dumb" people to do.

Rubes should be chastised for being rubes. The probability's higher that a rube can learn to understand the losing nature of their position than that a con will give up the benefits of theirs.

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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Yep, I have several attractive female friends who keep multiple guys round as "options." The guys of course don't realize they're being led on and they believe they have a real shot at something more meaningful. Sex and sexuality are ultimately about power. People who have high sexual value can totally let that power get to their heads and start taking advantage of others. This isn't gender-specific, but simply the w…

This. There is another double-standard at play that is often ignored. Women are just as capable (and willing) as men at keeping options, having backups, and upgrading to something better. A number of my female friends are constantly complaining about not being able to meet a guy who wants a relationship, and then continue to spend most of their dating energy on Tinder, while also keeping open several options constant…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy at my Uni would stand stand at the door when they closed the Uni bar every Friday night and proposition every girl as they filed out the door. Every one. Never failed to score. He had no standards, but was amazing to watch. He was Danish, we called it the 'Scando Sweep'.

Did he actually bluntly ask "Will you have sex with me?".

Richard Feynman (in Surely you must be joking, mr Feynman) actually mentions doing exactly just that - he wrote he later gave it up because it was too easy and too effective

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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post #59
post #16

For the most part, I find that most online social media just degrades human interaction. Twitter encourages short shallow quips, Facebook shows me my friends arguing angrily and pointlessly over random articles, dating apps encourage some of the behaviors described in the article. Heck, even HN encourages a certain kind of attitude that I don't find that great, all in all. I know that it's not black or white, and tha…

>a big factor was reading the biographies of some of my heroes, e.g. Dirac, Feynman, etc., and realizing that they spent a lot of their time working alone in their offices uninterrupted, and communicating with people either in real life over meals, walks, etc. or by postal mail Of course they did, there was no such thing as internet back in the 30s. Feynman in particular, I'm positive he would have had a big social n…

One of my best friends helped invent supersymmetric string theory (knew Heisenberg, Feynman, Schwinger: all the big swinging dicks). He (resentfully) used email when he was still professionally active, and passing LaTeX documents back and forth with colleagues. Since he's retired, he refuses to use communication technology more advanced than twisted pair telephone wires.

I personally have been winding down a lot of internet crap, and have refused to purchase a cell phone capable of doing anything more than having verbal conversations, and have been a lot happier for it.

FWIIW, I also realized a long time ago (longer than Tinder) that online dating is hopeless for anything more than a booty call, and is frankly a waste of time for that as well, at least for me. I prefer not to be the hamster wheel of a dopamine loop. There's always another one. These things are not designed to make you happy: they're designed to make you come back to the website. It's easier to go outside and talk to someone who smells nice.

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

#179
post #24

>“For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Armstrong, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’…

I fear where that reasoning is going.

Should I expect to have no say on how much serious I want a relationship to be in the future? In the name of "gender equality"? Holy crap.

Re: Tinder and the Dawn of the “Dating Apocalypse”

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Meanwhile, in the gay community, Tinder's occupies the niche of the somewhat less sex-obsessed alternative to Grindr, the purely gay hookup app that even Tinder's name seems to have been inspired by... I'm not sure whether the author of the article would be more shocked by the revelation that many Tinder dates actually don't end in sex[1] or the revelation that ten years ago, the same demographic of men was bragging…

There might be a broader point here. It's now OK for gay men to act like gay men in public, and straight people are starting to do it too.
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