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Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by rbanffy »

watty wrote: post #60
nkuttler wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for tinkering and learning about computers. Maybe, but Linux just seems more convenient. I mean, can you install gcc, golang, nodejs, python, ruby, ghc, lua (...) on windows with a single command? And all the other tools you might want to use, like editors, databases? And you will never know if they want to do kernel-level coding if they don't h…

I completely disagree. I used Ubuntu for a year and I spent more time fixing things or trying to do things in the OS than I have in all other operating systems combined. My nephew tried to install Ubuntu on his new build and hit brick wall after brick wall trying to install the OS and Minecraft. It simply hasn't gotten easy enough and I'm afraid it's too late now. I don't see a comeback for linux. http://www.google.c…

My 79 year old mom uses Ubuntu and she loves it because it never breaks. I moved her to Linux because I was tired of fixing her Windows install (on the same machine).

You and your nephew must be doing something very wrong.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by teh_klev »

xyby wrote: post #144
benn_88 wrote: post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

> IoT What is that? "Internet of Things"? "Installs on Tablets"?

Just to be clear, IoT isn't specifically a Microsoft thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by poizan42 »

benn_88 wrote: post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

What does that mean? So Visual Studio hasn't been ported to ARM, that isn't really surprising. But can I run any existing application I build targeting ARM like on a jailbroken Windows RT system, or do they need a Microsoft signature?

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by alkonaut »

Cool news indeed. What is the main selling point of running windows over linux? Given that the CLR can (or will soon) run in a core version also on raspbian, what will be the main reason to choose Win10 as a base for an IoT project? Normally the case for windows over linux involves a desktop, but not in this case.

Could it be that microsofts API's for IoT/Smart homes will not be part of the cross platform (core) .NET package? If so then at least this move makes sense: "use a windows IoT device and you get all these handy microsoft IoT API's".

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by spdustin »

dandelion_lover wrote: post #147
WorldWideWayne wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't we just establish that it's the system that kids already know more about?

Not kids. Teachers.

Sorry, and it pains me to say it as I'm the patriarch of an OS X family, but: Kids. Their first exposure to computers will be at home. And it'll therefore likely be Windows. My kids don't know Windows, they know OS X and iOS. Sometimes, after they've visited friends, they comment that they played on a computer that "looked weird", but they've never had a problem adapting.

It's that last bit that seems to suggest a "who cares what the OS is, kids don't care" idea. In my view, though, it really doesn't. Kids aren't known to have a higher order of executive function. They'll generally just use whatever the trusted adults in their lives use.

Those trusted adults should be exposing kids to all the options, so that the kids are better prepared to make decisions when their executive function skills catch up.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by catern »

morganvachon wrote: post #96
higherpurpose wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FreeBSD has "flourished"? I seem to remember only two years ago before Christmas they were begging for donations or they will close shop. Linux and FreeBSD/OpenBSD certainly hasn't "flourished" on users' PCs either, which is the above commenter's point.

I didn't see anything in the parent's comment about GNU/Linux or FreeBSD on desktop PCs, nor was I talking about it on desktop PCs. The Raspberry Pi has always been meant as a learning device, a maker's toolkit, a base for building something other than a boring desktop PC. The fact that it now has the power to be a desktop PC doesn't mean that's all it will ever be. One definition (the one I was using) of "flourish"…

What? These are not "old prejudices", Windows is still proprietary software and that's still harmful to user freedom. This is not just "one more channel for learning", it's a dying proprietary platform trying to piggyback on the success of a popular open-source platform.

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by chernevik »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #38
microtonal wrote: post #37

I am usually not the one to blow the free software horn (being a staunch believer of non-copyleft licenses such as the Apache License) and the geek in me likes this announcement. I also don't hold a grudge against Windows, I think it is a fine system for most people. However, Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves. Althou…

"Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves" "Windows is closed as ever" Are these kids hacking on the Linux kernel or something? Of course not. They will be using some app/language running on the OS. They don't need access to the OS source to do that. Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for…

Yesterday I was setting up Crouton on my 11 year old daughter's Chromebook. She wants to learn to program, she says, so I said, great, let's get you a real programming environment. She was nervous about her computer and all the stuff flying by on the screen, so we talked about what her computer is -- a CPU, memory, storage -- it's all bits, nothing happening here can hurt it.

We then got Python up and drew a turn with Turtle, which she then extended to a rectangle.

We'll see what she learns and what I can teach her. But whatever she learns will be directly applicable to many other available environments. My Mac and her Mom's will have a terminal. At some point she can take this up to a Linode and play on the net. If her computer club uses Raspberry Pi, Linux will be there.

Maybe she could learn a lot with Windows 10 on a Pi. And much of it would be principled, and some of the basic emotional and mental disciplines needed to work with computers. But a great deal of it would be a particular interface, and one that is generally available only with costs or arrangements that exceed those of getting to a *nix interface.

Now why is it a good idea for her to invest in a sunk cost like that when she can invest in one with much greater and freer applicability?

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by nkg »

benn_88 wrote: post #79

Note: Windows 10 on Pi 2 will be an IoT platform, not a desktop OS. You'll develop your app in Visual Studio on a Windows PC and deploy it to the Pi. Raspbian will continue to be the main supported OS. - Ben from Raspberry Pi

Ok, that wasn't clearly stated in the article

Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by spdustin »

I think there's too much arguing for things that kids don't give a shit about. The argument can't be, "think about the children!"

The argument must be, "preserve the children's rights to think for themselves." It is on us as adults - parents, teachers, trusted elders, whatever - to instill in the kids the information needed to make decisions, and the fundamental skills to objectively utilize that information in a rational decision making process. In my humble opinion - reflected in my own choices as a parent - that means Linux (a term I use in its colloquial form, please do not nit pick on that word) on the Pi. My kids see Windows at school and at friends' homes, OS X and iOS at home, and as of today I'm taking my RPi off duty and showing it to my kids. It's a snow day, they're a captive audience!

It isn't about a six year old compiling a new kernel or a teen getting a Minecraft server to run a mod, it's about creating a spirit of curiosity and experimentation.

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