This is awesome.
Actually, I wonder if I could get ReactOS running on a Pi, might be the perfect testing platform. Hmm.
Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
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Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Windows seems very much contrary to the goal of the Raspberry Pi: providing a device for children to tinker with and educate themselves" "Windows is closed as ever" Are these kids hacking on the Linux kernel or something? Of course not. They will be using some app/language running on the OS. They don't need access to the OS source to do that. Seems to me Windows is a perfectly open enough OS to act as a platform for…
I am in computing now because someone put Linux on my laptop when I was 11, I don't think I would have ever really thought about it otherwise. It's not necessarily that I could look at the source of the kernel (I didn't), it's far more the philosophy of the OS as a whole meaning that I could tinker with whatever I wanted, pull apart components and see how it broke, dive as deep as I wanted into any area of the system…
It's not like Linux is going away. I think more possibilities in regard of OS is a good thing, and also in align with the RPi's mission statement.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The cracking scene, demoscene and games industry was almost exclusively built on Windows. A lot of that was just as, if not more, advanced as what a Linux programmer does. I think you mean commodore, or atari. Windows gaming came a long long time afterwards. It is more advanced in some ways but it does not beget OS programmers, like an open source OS does. If OS programmers die out, we're in very deep trouble.
No, while nostalgic, the Commodore and Atari scene were tiny in comparison. Since the mid nineties people have learned graphics programming and reverse engineering primarily on Windows. It's not like OS programming is going away, but it has always been mostly a university thing. And you could say we already are in big trouble. Since the ecosystem for multimedia weren't (and isn't) very good on Linux a lot of qualifie…
No? Tiny? I'd love to know which games industry you think came before the games industry on Windows. Did a legion of Windows programmers appear overnight?
Audacity, Bitwig, QTractor and Ardour have made great strides - and that's merely stuff I know about. Userland software is quite beside the point I was making.
Closed-source single OS dominance without an open source alternative would mean much worse trouble than the trouble we are already in. To avoid this, you need OS programmers, many of whom never get to University.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#84I can't see this working, hence windows is not exactly a lean OS. Coinincidently I'm stuck in an update/reboot cycle at the moment after a fresh install. Also i need to extend my partion of 60GB after just installing the OS (8.1) to get Visual Studio installed (which will also take at least 10GB). I like the new direction of MS, but i wonder if it's possible to succeed with so much old baggage to carry...
You don't have to install Visual Studio on your system drive, it'll happily install and run on another drive.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#85Could somebody explain how this is possible, given RAM and CPU constraints? Like, does W10 actually run with that small of a footprint it works on a Raspberry Pi 2?
Not sure about CPU but you can get Windows 8.1 devices with 1GB of RAM which run fine (and that's full desktop 8.1, not a cut down IoT build that this is likely to be)
For me it's the lower limit of what's possible and it's slow if you load up many apps, but definitely possible.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#86While most people don't hack kernel code themselves, there is still value in promoting open source operating systems. A future in which Windows becomes popular on mobile/embedded devices is likely a future with more binary blobs, more OS-locked hardware, and fewer opportunities for those people who do want to hack on kernel code.
> A future in which Windows becomes popular on mobile/embedded devices is likely a future with more binary blobs, more OS-locked hardware, and fewer opportunities for those people who do want to hack on kernel code. I just can't agree with that. F/OSS fan that I am, I still think the same opportunities will exist whether Windows runs on a particular piece of hardware or not. After all, GNU/Linux and BSD have flourish…
FreeBSD has "flourished"? I seem to remember only two years ago before Christmas they were begging for donations or they will close shop.
Linux and FreeBSD/OpenBSD certainly hasn't "flourished" on users' PCs either, which is the above commenter's point.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#87I personally want a trimmed down version of .NET (perhaps the new Core CLR which is just 10 MB) so I can run F#. Mono is too heavy and have millions other dependencies I dont want to grab. Running a modern & practical functional language on RB Pi will be extremely joyful for me.
Does .Net micro framework fit the bill? http://www.netmf.com/
Last I checked, Micro is too small and lacks crucial things you want for everyday development, and that is for a normal developer, not a language runtime-designer.
It was targeted mostly towards very low-specced hardware, closer to a Arduino than a Pi.
I'm guessing things like F# relies on too much things which are not included here.
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are these kids hacking on the Linux kernel or something? Of course not. They will be using some app/language running on the OS. They don't need access to the OS source to do that. I even mentioned libc. There is more to an operating system than a kernel. In fact, this was an important part of my early computer education: when I was 12 (1994) I bought a copy of Slackware Linux because it had a free compiler (even Turb…
I think you overestimate the need for access to the OS for learning things. The cracking scene, demoscene and games industry was almost exclusively built on Windows. A lot of that was just as, if not more, advanced as what a Linux programmer does. I do think the trend of iOS, Android and similar Windows environments is troubling. But if they ship Windows 10 on the RPi with something like QBasic and Visual Studio it's…
Do you think the servers of multiplayer games also run on windows?
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#89I don't think Microsoft is doing it for the Open-Source spirit, as many seem to believe. They have a long history of attacking/smearing open source and displaying a "I heart Linux" slide is not sufficient to erase all the FUD and their questionable software patent licensing schemes (which are completely anti-open). They called Linux a cancer, even. I think they're approaching this from a redundancy point of view, if…
Can we stop with this argument? Every time a business makes a business-oriented decision someone will pop out to call them out for being acting for their own benefit, as if it's somehow bad. Like every human exchange, you don't have to be an altruist for your deed to be good. It's alright to do "good" even if it derives some sort of benefit for yourself or your company.
Except this move only really benefits Microsoft. And it's certainly not for the "love of open source".
Re: Windows 10 for Raspberry Pi 2
#90Could somebody explain how this is possible, given RAM and CPU constraints? Like, does W10 actually run with that small of a footprint it works on a Raspberry Pi 2?
Conceptually, it's just like Windows 8 can run both on a desktop as well as a Lumia phone. I'm not sure whether they actually share parts of the codebase (like the linux kernel does), or it's just some common UI elements like tiles + shared brand name on top of wildly different kernels.
In fact they use the NT-Kernel for Windows Phone as well. [1]
http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-windows-phone-8-fina...