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Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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As someone who has installed various distros on desktops and laptops many dozens of times (maybe over a hundred) since 1997, let me point out that while there's a decent chance of having no "real hassle or pain", the chance is not insignificant that you will spend hours trying to fix something that went awry during a reinstall. I'm definitely going to wait a little while to see if other people using packages I use ha…

Using the latest release of anything usually brings some issues, including Windows and Mac. I used to upgrade each time and with 12.04 I've decided to stay on it until 14.04. Skype, Eclipse, Steam, Netflix all work fine on 12.04 and 12.04's performance is great.

Wait, Netflix works on Linux? When did this happen?

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Using the latest release of anything usually brings some issues, including Windows and Mac. I used to upgrade each time and with 12.04 I've decided to stay on it until 14.04. Skype, Eclipse, Steam, Netflix all work fine on 12.04 and 12.04's performance is great.

Wait, Netflix works on Linux? When did this happen?

Yep, at least on Ubuntu 12.04:

http://lifehacker.com/5963726/netflix-finally-comes-to-ubunt...

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Last time I was using Ubuntu+Unity as my main desktop (11.xx), I used `xmodmap` to swap my keys, and found that every so often it'd be reverted. Have you experienced similar problems with this technique?

IIRC I didn't finding any easy way of making xmodmap settings persist over reboot, so I just took had a script that runs "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" run at startup. (Of course then I switched to xfce on my laptop, which seems to run its own xmodmap command after its run startup scripts or something which overrides them, which is kinda annoying, haven't found a nice way to get around that).

I do expect a reboot to require somehow reloading my settings via xmodmap. More troubling is during an X session with Unity, my settings would be reverted, and I'd have to reload with xmodmap. Other desktop environments didn't have this issue. I really should have done my part and written a bug report.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Debian != Ubuntu

So?

We're talking about Ubuntu here - that was my point.

I've been upgrading Ubuntu Desktop for years (a decade, singular) and I've always been struggling - especially if I ventured to install an alpha and then keep upgrading that. Compared to OS X, on which I always upgrade to the first Developer Preview and keep upgrading on, although OS X comes with problems, too, the GM usually fixes it all up. With Ubuntu, it's best to script your environment and rebuild clean. At least my experience. Garbage always piles up otherwise!

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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You could try out Sabayon Linux, it is basically a Gentoo with an installer and binary package manager. equo (rigo/apper for a GUI). The good thing is that it's backwards compatible to Gentoo's source based package manager "emerge" and a very easy to use. What Linux/Unix distro you use is up to you though and I will not start a debate. I understand that it makes sense in the enterprise field to only use the most popu…

I used Sabayon for about 2-3 years on my laptop with no complaints. I mean, it broke a few times, but that was my own fault, and I was always able to 'unbreak' it using recovery images and usually due to proprietary modules (grrr ATI). I finally stopped due to my laptop itself breaking; crunchbang is my new distro of choice for my desktop. Biggest upsides: fast(er) turnaround time on updating packages compared to Gen…

Hmm do you mean ArchBang? Because CrunchBang is a Debian GNU/Linux distro. I wonder how Debian can be more up to date than Gentoo. Am I missing something?

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Yes, same experience. Unfortunately, for the peace of mind, you should always rebuild - in-place upgrades for Desktop never work smoothly.

I guess I should stop using my Debian machines where I did an install in previous decades (decades, plural) and copied the setup from hard drive to hard drive across several physical machine rebuilds. Up to now I had no idea that this never works smoothly.

If you're the sort of person that likes to try out stuff from different places, including compiled binaries, non-repo packages, and other fun stuff, eventually stuff will break. A lot of desktop pieces of software have config files that keep changing.

I've found that keeping your old /home around and a copy of installed packages works well enough for most situations.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.

Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.

Firefox-dev is definitely moderated. I've experienced it recently.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)

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That's just beyond retarded. I weep when people have been conditioned by Canonical (and Microsoft) to accept this.

Here's a video of a continuous upgrade from ms-dos through every windows version all up to windows 7 (a timespan of ~20 years) that proves it's possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14

The whole time I was watching this I was thinking, how would I explain to a normal human being why it is that I can't look away. Windows 3.0 especially took me back to my adolescence, like a smell.
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