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Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by lallysingh »

samspenc wrote: post #133
curiousDog wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, what are your use cases with it? I've been considering one as a cheap Linux dev box but it seems like installing a second OS is a pain and that there's little to no HD space left after doing so. I've been eyeing a Sony laptop that costs ~$370 bit it is quite bulky.

This. As much as I like Google, I've griped before that the Chromebook is a tempting but raw deal for a power user. [1] You get a pretty locked down laptop that you have to boot into developer mode to do anything useful (which adds an additional 5-second boot time) [2] I'm a happy camper at setting up dual-boot systems with Windows laptops, but crouton sounds like a pain to me. [3] Limited disk space: I would think w…

The Pixel's got 64 GB available, and afaik, crouton's pretty easy to install: http://lifehacker.com/how-to-install-linux-on-a-chromebook-a...

Note: not that I'm suggesting you get one, I'm just adding what I know. I've been tempted by the screen: the LTE version with a DigitalOcean SSD-based VM to do all the painful work (and completely disposable, my favorite part), combined with that screen for text editing, makes a lovely combination.

But, I just run Arch on a thinkpad. I still get a little kick when I boot a machine the first time I get it, try out the hardware to make sure it all works, get annoyed with windows being utterly awful, and then get to wipe it over. I might dd it with all zeroes first, depending on how annoying it was :-)

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by shurcooL » 

  *100GB of free storage for two years, starting on the date you redeem the Drive offer.
  Some things like Hangouts, voice search and auto updates obviously require internet.
  Screen images simulated. Color availability may vary.
I like the "obviously". :)

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by oscargrouch »

lrizzo wrote: post #90

I really wish i could find a use for the chromebooks for my family, but i failed. This one seems similar to the samsung chromebook, which i tried for a while (also lending it to mother, sister, children) but we all found it basically useless for any everyday task. Surely one can blame the ecosystem; but still the conclusion does not change, and as a comparison, tablets and phones had a more successful approach at ada…

16GB HD + Browser-is-the-OS-thingy = forever locked in a google cloudtrap!

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by guizzy »

netcan wrote: post #132

I'm so frustrated by these chromebooks. On one hand, the form factor and aesthetics are great. The price/power engineering is great. The mission/concept is fantastic. On the other hand, we've learned something from Android/IOS. We need apps and they do not necessarily lead to a computer that cannot be managed by a below average user. Even the average 'your mother' has some needs that aren't well met by this machine.…

Google has come very far making webapps more and more like desktop applications.

http://www.google.com/intl/fr/chrome/webstore/apps-gtd.html

Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by bdcravens »

alrs wrote: post #7

Hemingway said that one goes broke "gradually, then suddenly." I hope the same thing is happening to Windows marketshare. I hope the same thing is happening to iOS. edit: Note that I said "marketshare." I'm not wishing bankruptcy on Apple and Microsoft. It would be a weird desire.

I think Apple could continue to lose a pretty good amount of iOS share still and remain profitable, as the margin on their products is pretty crazy. Windows, on the other hand, is hugely important to Microsoft's bottom line.

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Post by [deleted] »

alrs wrote: post #43
harigov wrote: post #18

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why would you hope for something like that? what do you gain if Windows/iOS/OSX go broke?

Google isn't a shining beacon of hope, but I do delight in seeing hurt put on closed ecosystems. The Apple app store is a flat-out threat to human freedom. I do not want to live in a world where the only software available is the software approved by Apple and the governments that have jurisdiction over it. edit: Note that I take no warmth in it being Google. Yes, they are closed. The good news is that HP just offere…

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Re: HP Chromebook 11

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Post by ScrumMistress »

Touche wrote: post #152
ScrumMistress wrote: post #145

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Top of Amazon doesn't really mean much. http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/12/nokia-lumia-900-do... Here's some analysis based on browsing data usage which shows sales were worse than Windows RT. http://www.zdnet.com/first-real-world-usage-figures-suggest-... If Chromebooks sales are good , why don't they release real official numbers?

True, but that Chromebook has been at or near the top since it was released almost a year ago. Also Acer has already said 10% of their shipments are Chromebooks. > If Chromebooks sales are good , why don't they release real official numbers? Who is "they"? Chromebooks are released by several manufacturers, some of which have released numbers. And if Chromebook sales are bad why do more of them keep coming out, with m…

>Also Acer has already said 10% of their shipments are Chromebooks.

This is where that quote is from.

http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/desktop/chromebooks-...

It's actually 5 to 10% and the report says the following:

>>So that 5-10% figure falls into the range of 26,900 Chromebooks on the low end to 92,314 Chromebooks on the high end, assuming we equate PC shipments to PC sales. In reality, some of those shipments remain on retailers' shelves unsold. All told, these are not massive numbers, but they're a bit better than the 5,000-unit Acer Cromia 700 sales figure reported by Taiwan-based Digitimes in November 2011.

Are there any more recent numbers?

>Who is "they"? Chromebooks are released by several manufacturers, some of which have released numbers.

They = Google. Are you telling me that Google does not or cannot know the total number of Chromebooks being sold?

Again, any references of links will be appreciated, especially to hard numbers.

>And if Chromebook sales are bad why do more of them keep coming out, with more manufacturers joining in?

This is a good point, but there can be a lot of reasons. Google might be subsidizing costs to the OEMs to a large extent, like Microsoft may be doing with Windows Phones.

However, all the numbers coming out so far have been nebulous, like "double the previous years sales" etc.

The web usage metrics are important though since you cannot have something that runs only web sites selling well but not showing up in web usage logs, so hopefully there will be some better metrics available there.

Maybe people can contribute their own numbers. I looked up a site's metrics that I have access to. It's a large healthcare related US centric site, and Chrome OS is currently ranking far below Linux, Blackberry, Series40 and Windows Phone. It's above SymbianOS, Nokia, PS3, Wii, Xbox.

Another similar 100K visitors/month site shows ChromeOS at 70% of Windows Phone's hits and 1/4th of Linux's with 0.17%.

Interesting factoid, desktop Linux unique hits are double that of Windows Phone on that site.

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