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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by comex »

pilif wrote: post #102
cwilson wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple specifically stated that your fingerprint is stored and encrypted only on the A7 chip, and not iCloud or anywhere else. It's mentioned in the video as well: http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/videos/#video-touch

Yes. And how exactly do we check this? Why is it that we can still trust Apple? For all we know, the data gets sent directly to the NSA or, if it doesn't, there might be some secret backdoor that will make the device send the data at a later point. The last round of leaks was specifically talking about backdoors with all bigger US companies in order to circumvent encryption. That's what I means by "we have to conside…

This is incorrect - we do not know any particular products which are backdoored.

edit: Also, there is a difference between a subtle crypto vulnerability and sending data to a server that, according to the announcement, is designed to be protected in its own enclave and never sent anywhere. The latter would be far more obvious in the code and easier to spot.

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Post by [deleted] »

kyleowen212 wrote: post #140
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

I had to give my fingerprints when I got my drivers' license. I trust Apple's encryption way more than I trust the DMV's hack protection.

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by gfodor »

ginko wrote: post #122

Aren't swipe sensors considered more secure than press-on ones? There's all kinds of very simple recipes out there to trick those. A swipe sensor would have needed less space to boot.

Press-on sensor is obvious because it mimics the current home button perfectly.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by lttlrck »

cliveowen wrote: post #39
United857 wrote: post #13

Two biggest new things for developers: * OpenGL ES 3.0 support (things like true HDR rendering, etc. will finally be possible) * 64-bit support. For most app developers, this will just be a recompile. The tricky part is that any closed-source 3rd party SDKs/libraries/frameworks used will also have to be rebuilt first by their authors.

More importantly, what are they talking about when they say 64-bit? The architecture uses 64-bit addresses? The processor uses 64-bit registers? What are the main advantages to current CPUs?

It offers a fundamental improvement to the instruction set architecture, more registers, advanced SIMD, AES in HW.

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Post by gareim »

GVIrish wrote: post #111
sdoowpilihp wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very least, It would open them up to a massive class action lawsuit. The repercussions would likely run much deeper that though.

The government has given legal immunity to telecoms that collaborated with NSA spying in the past, I'm sure they'd extend that immunity to Apple if need be.

The class action lawsuit would be brought based on the fact that Apple sold the device on a lie. The government can't grant immunity for that.

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Post by dev_jim »

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Urgh. When do we get to the point where I can read HN without a snarky NSA comment being voted to the top?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by ja27 »

general_failure wrote: post #142
swamp40 wrote: post #60

I was really hoping for NFC support - sigh. I do love the fingerprint sensor and the intelligent auto-focusing features, though. Blurry smartphone pictures are so ubiquitous these days.

there's airdrop instead of nfc

And Bluetooth 4.0 (low energy). I doubt Apple will ever do NFC.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by nknighthb »

cocoflunchy wrote: post #130
nknighthb wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I acquired a passport in 2010, and left the country that year, and the year after, and was never asked for my fingerprints. You may be thinking of a program that applies only to non-citizens.

Yes, you're right. Don't they ask for your fingerprints when you make a passport though? They do in France.

Not in the US, no. I ended up sending them my life story to convince them I was who I said I was, but they did not ask for fingerprints. I've never had to be fingerprinted for any reason. There is a palm geometry scan on file for me with a datacenter, but that works on a different principle.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by gfodor »

marknow wrote: post #127
rodedwards wrote: post #53

Better photos, TouchID, snappier performance -- a traditional incremental Apple upgrade befitting the "S" moniker. I've long been wondering when/if Apple would take on NFC and things like payments more aggressively. I get the feeling that they're going to skip NFC entirely, and that TouchID is going to be a large part of processing transactions without the need for any physical device interaction (swipe/tap/bump). Ri…

How odd, I feel the opposite, re: vision... Google is leading the way with progressive developments in many varied fields. Expecting more today from Tim Cook, the Apple announcement left me flat. Understand, that while I'm a long time Apple user, my Android phone(s) have offered features to which Apple is still playing catch-up. Apple is the reactionary these days; they may have introduced the iPhone as a ground-brea…

I think 2014 is going to be Apple's big year. If we don't see the watch or the TV next year then I'll be worried.

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Post by therobot24 »

martin-adams wrote: post #125
pilif wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that I can't change my fingerprint. If it gets out by some third-party abusing the secret backdoor (or just abusing whatever other place you have your fingerprint stored), then they can potentially forge your fingerprint when committing a crime or when otherwise attempting to access resources you have access to. When a third-party loses your password, you change it and life goes on (you are not reusing…

The problem I see is that if they have a copy of your fingerprint, and then their computer says that matches a crime of sorts, what do you do then? You have to consider the false positives.

the probability of a false match + you being in the area with no alibi is very slim
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