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One of your previous comments: "$80k is hardly the low end of the car market. I can buy a decent Porsche for less." You're a poverty expert obviously. With nothing but warmth, mercy, and compassion towards those less fortunate than you. Fox news and Rush Limbaugh will guide your moral compass.
>One of your previous comments... Proving nothing. How do you know whether or not I can afford a Porsche? The ghettos are full of kids who know how much a high-end Lamborghini costs. As it happens, I could afford to buy a Porsche if that was the sort of thing I wanted. Because in the decades since college I lived within my means and strove to make my skills more attractive to people who might want to hire me. One thi…
How Poverty Taxes the Brain
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>One of your previous comments... Proving nothing. How do you know whether or not I can afford a Porsche? The ghettos are full of kids who know how much a high-end Lamborghini costs. As it happens, I could afford to buy a Porsche if that was the sort of thing I wanted. Because in the decades since college I lived within my means and strove to make my skills more attractive to people who might want to hire me. One thi…
Lol having mercy and compassion = fetishizing poverty? You sir are amazing.
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#163Just keep the majority of your people poor/starving/wanting, and they'll have no time to contemplate how to overthrow your regime.
What a concept.
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#164I can speak to this. For a while in 2010 I was completely broke after leaving my first job out of college, which I hated, and having some other employment opportunities fall through. Having that little money changes your decision making process about absolutely everything. Obviously every financial decision is effected, even the tiniest purchases weigh into bigger questions like "will I have enough money in my bank a…
I take personal interest and issue with comments surrounding this since I lived it. I have personally experienced, watched and read detailed stories of so many living in America who have done just this - Pulled themselves up out of poverty.
My personal experience (and those close to me as well) with having almost nothing was this: You have a lot less to worry about (literally). You don't own much, you have a lot of time to think and research how best you should improve your life. You have less distractions and it is easier to focus on your goals and ambitions. If you have a simple budget (takes hardly any time to make one when you are poor) you don't have to even think about "will I have enough money to make rent this month". This whole notion of poverty taxing the brain is yet another "excuse" for the poor disadvantaged soul living in poverty.
It comes down to this, if someone works hard and makes good choices (either on their own accord or by following wise advice), they are absolutely going to escape the poverty they may have been born into or ended up in by some circumstance.
Let me give you a little example of how things have changed in the last couple of hundred years. Do you think that early settlers brains were "taxed" so hard that they could not work hard? That they could not make good choices? They had to work hard just to eat, just to feed their families (if they had them). If they made one bad choice or made one mistake, they could have lost their herd or crop. This could mean their very lives. They may never have been able to escape barely surviving back then, but times are much different today. Take that level of work ethic and wise/conscientious decision making and put it into the average poverty stricken youth today and do you think would happen?
Your family's lack of money should mean almost nothing today, if anything - it should be extra motivation to work hard and improve you and your family's lives. Is there a reason that a minority youth in the worst and poorest inner city project cannot go to school, pay attention in class, do their homework and achieve at least a "C" average? Well with that average, they will be accepted to any state college. If they are poor, there is a ton of financial aid (free money) available. If necessary - get a student loan (this is your ticket out of poverty here, it is worth it). This is the escape out of the projects that almost everyone can do. It will not cost you a single penny of your own money until you finish college. Even then you can take an online film study (or similar) class at a local community college ($50) every semester and put off paying back your student loan almost indefinitely.
we see case after case of middle or upper class people lose everything and climb back up out of poverty, immigrant after immigrant (or refugee) come to America with nothing to their name and even not be fluent in English in many cases, yet climb out of poverty, minorities from the poorest and most violent inner-city projects climb out of poverty, yet I hear again and again how and why people cannot do it on their own. Well people do. What makes these people so special? Are they extra smart? Do they have more attractive faces and bodies? What is it that allows some to climb out of poverty where most cannot.
The limiting factor here is themselves - their attitude. This has been fostered by such things as the collapse of the family, the loss of strong morals and ethics, the nanny state (creating dependency and sending a message that they cannot do it on their own - creating victims), the entitlement attitude, the victim and disenfranchised mentality, racism (I mean minorities toward majorities here), class envy, the entire black culture in America today.
You would think that if the government really wanted to solve poverty, they would lookup everyone in the country who had escaped poverty, and interview them. How did you do it? How could others do this too? Then publish the results in a big ad campaign.
What would we find? A huge overlap of answers (which I already outlined). The problem is - the government is not really interested in eliminating poverty. Nor keeping people out of prison. The government (generally) is not the friend of the minority or the impoverished. The government does not wish to eliminate or diminish itself by enabling people to become independent of it.
Is it "fair" that someone is born with a silver spoon in their mouth and can move through life lazy and comfortable, while another is born in poverty and must work harder and have to make better choices to succeed? Of course it is not "fair", but it is reality and it is not changing. I can tell you a fact though that the individual who pulls themselves up by their bootstraps is a lot happier and more content person than the one born into wealth. Is that "fair" too? Happiness is something that can never be purchased (for any amount of money).
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#166Eric Blair (known to some as George Orwell) wrote two of the most biting descriptions of the grind of poverty: Down and out in Paris and London http://www.george-orwell.org/Down_and_Out_in_Paris_and_Londo... The Road to Wigan Pier http://www.george-orwell.org/The_Road_to_Wigan_Pier/
I believe The Road To Wigan Pier must be quite similar although it will most likely focus on British poverty. I think it is very hard to fully understand poverty unless one has lived in such conditions for a prolonged period of time as an adult (I don't know if they are any accurate studies on how it feels like to be a poor child).
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#167In general, it makes sense, since a lot of behavioral research shows that making too many decisions takes away our power to make other decisions and cognitive power.
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From wikipedia: > In North America, Japanese instant noodles were imported starting in the 1970s bearing the name "ramen", causing the term "ramen" to be often used in North America to refer to instant noodles. So there you go. I'm sure it will disappear in time, as awareness of asian cuisine develops.
And this is hackernews, where all the readers must be from North America? I doubt the poster is even in San Francisco, where there are lots of decent ramen restaraunts to be found. On that same wiki page, there is nary a pic to be found of instant noodles.
It happens. It will probably happen less now the world's so interconnected. Not worth four comments in a row!
[1] For the uninitiated, in japan a "mansion" basically refers to an apartment in a building built to a certain quality.
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The argument wasn't that drinking soda caused poverty. It was a thought experiment about the idea that a person's decisions are cumulative and that a person could lean ever so slightly towards saving and slowly dig themselves out of poverty, or ever so slightly towards spending and find themselves in poverty. And that it wouldn't necessarily take hundreds of year for those decisions to add up, that perhaps it could h…
I know I characterized your argument a bit harshly. It's probably true? In some cases? All? I don't know. The paper doesn't rule it out. It does purport to show that causality does run the other way [as well]. Anyway, I just think it's important to keep in mind how much the macro environment affects which bad decisions get punished and how much. The same mistake that might have got you a nasty email from the boss in…
At any rate thanks for helping me understand the NAIRU rather than just calling me an idiot.
I agree completely that the macro environment is hugely influential. Saving and frugality are beneficial at one interest rate or naive and foolish at another. It's really strange how the "common sense" idea that you shouldn't spend money you don't have is 100% true at 10% interest but only about 5% true at 1% interest. Especially with inflation at a couple percent.
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I think the reason we don't see eye-to-eye on this is this line right here: > 700-rent 200-car note 80-insurance 500-food 200- utilities 200-gas When I look at that I still see room to squeeze it cheaper. Rent could go down with a roommate (or several). A $200 car note is pretty substantial. $500 for food is also a lot more than needs to be spent. I think that when you look at that, it's a bare-minimum kind of thing…
If you're really that numb to people's suffering that you argue that it's possible to live on a 30$ weekly food budget because one wing nut posts a web page about it... Well, it really does make me think you're trolling and that you've already make up your mind that 90% of the world is in poverty because they made poor decisions. You could drink your own urine to save money on water bills as well....
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=living+on+%2430+per+week+food+budget
That's 1.6 million hits. Obviously not all of them are about a precise $30/week food budget but plenty are. The idea that "one wing nut posts a web page about it" is blatantly false.
Did you even read the article? The lady espouses savings and thrift and the notion of building up a budget buffer so that when good deals come along that you can afford to take advantage of them. That means getting more than $30 worth of food per week while still only spending $30 on average.
Just because you can't imagine how it's possible to eat well on $30 per week doesn't mean it is impossible. It probably means that you've never had any reason at all to try and thus no idea about the feasibility. I can't say that I blame you for not trying; it's clearly a waste of your time. But it is doable.