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Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by tutysara »

vidarh wrote: post #152
smrtinsert wrote: post #54

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This is pretty crazy considering the huge investment Google has made into Eclipse to create the SDK there. There is also a significant community investment in using Android with Eclipse. Eclipse once you get rolling is amazing, and most importantly its free which is a big deal especially to cash strapped individuals and businesses. What will happen with the existing Eclipse SDK? Also what about GWT? Splitting the IDE…

> This is pretty crazy considering the huge investment Google has made into Eclipse to create the SDK there. What's pretty crazy is that they were insane enough to base it on Eclipse in the first place, seeing as it's probably the only IDE that so many people hate so intensely. I'm a Linux user primarily, use OS X at work, and detest Windows, yet I'd pick Visual Studio ca. 1999 over Eclipse any day. I'm an Emacs user…

> "I'm a Linux user primarily, use OS X at work, and detest Windows, yet I'd pick Visual Studio ca. 1999 over Eclipse any day. I'm an Emacs user, yet I'd switch to Vim in a heartbeat if I had to pick between Vim and Eclipse." - after hearing this from a fellow emacs user I am seriously considering a switch to Intellij from eclipse and see how it goes.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by chii »

ben1040 wrote: post #90
smrtinsert wrote: post #54

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This is pretty crazy considering the huge investment Google has made into Eclipse to create the SDK there. There is also a significant community investment in using Android with Eclipse. Eclipse once you get rolling is amazing, and most importantly its free which is a big deal especially to cash strapped individuals and businesses. What will happen with the existing Eclipse SDK? Also what about GWT? Splitting the IDE…

>Also what about GWT? Is GWT still even a thing they care about? It seems like they're pushing people towards Dart and Angular at this point. I/O last year was seriously thin on GWT, and it looks this year like there's only one session, which got misfiled in the schedule under "Google Wallet." https://developers.google.com/events/io/sessions/331474237

that's sad to hear, i quite like gwt. but ATM gwt is quite feature complete, except for bugs.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by tagabek »

rpgmaker wrote: post #153
Dove wrote: post #98

The early access preview ( http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio.html ) is definitely prettier than Eclipse. Not that that's a high bar to clear. It also seems to be less stable, which is a high bar to clear. ;) Yeah, I know, pre-release software. The windows seem to take a long time to load, too. That strikes me as odd -- it's one thing when you're starting up some sort of interpreter, but several secon…

Every time I open eclipse I feel like crying. Is just that awful (usability-wise). On my search to replace Eclipse for my android development I think I came across IntelliJ and it was very resources-heavy compared to eclipse which in the end made me give up on it. Let's hope it's more efficient now...

I feel the same way. For school, we are - unfortunately - more or less forced to use Eclipse. I understand that many companies' standard IDE is Eclipse, which means that being comfortable with it makes students more hirable. However, I was already comfortable with Xcode when I began to learn all about Eclipse's archaic features. The jump from IDEs has been tough. Now of course, Eclipse does a hell of a job and it's been a big player for ages, but it isn't pretty. Maybe I am too picky, but I want to developed well-designed apps in a well-designed environment.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by smrtinsert »

werkshy wrote: post #144
ihuman wrote: post #43

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Why does everyone seem to hate Eclipse? I've been using for a while and I can't find reasons to dislike it.

Switching between tabs in the editor takes > 1s (on a core i7 with 12GB). That is enough to make it almost useless for me. IntelliJ community edition is much snappier.

This is been a new issue with Juno, Eclipse 4x branch. Before it Eclipse was very fast, now it has all these odd quirks the flash the gui and occasionally hang for a few seconds. Obviously with weighty plugins like ADT you will see the problem exacerbated.

I remember the Google team being shocked (as was the Eclipse community) when Juno came out since it was so awful ui-performance wise. They rushed to donate some machines to re-enable performance tests which had been commented out due to lack of resources, it was small like 10K commitment or so. With their help the Eclipse team was able to mitigate the problems, but its still very slow compared to the 3x branch. In a way they seem like they dont want to admit it and defend the 4x branch. I'm sure this Studio release will be a wakeup call.

I suspect we're seeing the result of Eclipses 4x failure. The only light at the end of the tunnel is that Eclipse releases every year along with its huge plugin ecosystem. They almost never miss a date which is amazing considering its usually millions of lines commited on everything from graphical modelers through c++ tools. Maybe the next major release will fix all this crap and restore order to the Force.

edit/tl;dr: 4x performance issue fixes hopefully done by June 2013: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=393429

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by chaostheory »

sigzero wrote: post #139
chaostheory wrote: post #131

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what plugins are you using? I've been installing plugin after plugin and I've never run into any problems for the past five years now.

Sorry, I cannot even take that comment seriously.

Why not? Do I sound insincere?

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by Joeri »

oblio wrote: post #94
gleenn wrote: post #12

So stoked, I love Intellij, Rubymine, and PyCharm but for some reason setting up Intellij to do Android dev is always so difficult (and the Jetbrains pro version is not cheap at around 600 bucks iirc). If Google has made any of the env setup better I am all about this.

The personal license (aka a person owns it, not a company) is €179. From time to time they have huge discounts - they had a Black Friday discount of 75%. Recently there was a 50% discount. Just watch the news on reddit or here :)

Your company can't buy a personal license for you, so you have to pay for it on your own.

I first got a pro license of phpstorm at work and liked it so much i got a personal license for my hobby projects. For me the inspections are what make the difference with any other IDE or editor, with the refactoring and code navigation functionality in close pursuit. Phpstorm runs fast enough even on my clunky old atom netbook, and the UI fits on its 1024x600 screen.

Re: Introducing Android Studio

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Post by chj »

I was excited (tired of Eclipse), but after a test run, I think it is still slow, and still lack of native code debugging that just works, as in xcode.
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