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Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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For your girl: http://goldieblox.com . The backstory: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/16029337/goldieblox-the-...

Thanks, I didn't know such a thing existed. We're a little past it though. Her interests are in industrial robots, and she's been building with a Mindstorms kit for a couple of years now. We're likely to move on to Arduino based projects over the summer break.

Yes, it's for younger girls for sure. Arduino is really going to open her eyes, especially if you can gather data and show how statistics can be used for training and informing computers to help us. If she's interested in programming I think Ruby has the nicest introduction (I'm partial to Python as you get access to a lot of sciency libraries) but I've run through this with 9-12 year olds successfully: http://tryruby.org

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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Can you back this statement up please? I'm interested to hear where these comments originate.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/03/01/stigmatizin... ...is one good example of their concern-trolling. They dress up their own sex-negative bullshit in feminist clothing and use it to censor and attack people who do not engage in discrimination or sexism in any way whatsoever, based solely on their own personal agendas. It's repugnant to every single feminist (of any gender) that I've spoken to familiar wi…

Thanks for responding. Fortunately women don't have a single Leader so while Valerie may be doing good work through certain initiatives she should find that other women who disagree with censorship will not support these actions.

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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How do female programmers differ from male programmers? I find this offensive. There are better ways to help promote programming among women. Equal salaries for starters could be a real equaliser.

Yes, I too am offended that an organization would dare donate anything to the Ada Initiative. Since we obviously live in a post-sexist egalitarian society, any sort of donation to one organization is clearly discriminatory against those not part of or benefitting from the organization! I'm pretty damn sure GitHub can't affect the salaries of women that aren't direct employees of them. In what way does GitHub doing wh…

On second thoughts, my comment was over the top. Doing something is better than nothing and github is doing something. So kudos to that.

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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You know this makes me sick. Time and time again, articles pop up here on HN talking about some organization trying to promote and encourage women in technology and the comments explode with privileged boys whining about about how "it's not fair" You know what's not fair? A Teacher telling a 12 year old girl that she needs a backup plan because girls getting an engineering degree, well, that's hard. Getting one from…

You will agree when I say that being a male or a female is not really an advantage or disadvantage. And that either gender should be allowed to pursue whatever they like. If the teacher, society and everyone else in the world says to your little one that she cannot do it, you say to her she can. Because she can and your gender doesn't matter. And when you start telling your daughter that she can, that is one less person in the "society" who says she can't or shouldn't. When you tell your daughter that there is nothing that a girl or a boy cannot do, your daughter will grow up to be one more impartial member of the society.

And I think you will agree with me when I say that it is better to have a public repository, if you want to learn(unless ofcourse github wants female programmers to become closed source programmers). By handing out a freebie to the girls, you are telling the boys the exact same thing which your daughter's teacher told her.

We don't want girls/boys to become programmers, we want them to become whatever they want to. Having promotional activities for females may send a wrong impresion about a particular field to boys - who are also as human and as impresionable as the girls are in school. How many boys do you think take up engineering, just because it is seen as a manly branch and the society expects them to? I would argue many and that is a massive disadvantage to the boys who want to pursue something else.

We should aim at leveling the field instead of providing some people a helping hand at the cost of others. If helping girls take up CS is done by having girls-only CS colleges, free tuition for female CS students or free course material or as in this case free services based on gender, I will say stop. Because boys who are thinking of taking up CS will cry foul. What did your neighbour's son do to not deserve a free github private repo?

Instead, try changing the society. Tell your sons and daughters they can do anything. Tell your students that gender means nothing. Tell the teachers at your daughters school to back off and complain about her to the school authorities.

To be honest, I have no idea if that will work. But what I do believe is if you start handing out freebies to someone based on gender, it will poison the well for the boys, who will cry foul. It wasn't their fault they were born as boys. Equality - yes. Preferential treatment - no.

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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Can you back this statement up please? I'm interested to hear where these comments originate.

You can get a flavor for the Ada Initiative ahead. This happened at last year's Defcon. http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/did-feminists-cancel-violet...

Although I'm not very impressed with the Ada Initiative, that talk should have never been accepted because it had nothing to do with the focus of the conference. It was not about security. It was also at B-Sides, not Defcon.

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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> As a two word phrase which everyone understands to mean the social theory that men have unearned social, economic, and political advantages or rights that are granted to them solely on the basis of their sex, and which are usually denied to women. How do you think people react to hearing that what they perceive (often rightfully) as hard-earned success was, in your eyes, unearned? It's not a productive line of disc…

> How do you think people react to hearing that what they perceive (often rightfully) as hard-earned success was, in your eyes, unearned? Ahh, but that's the guts of male privilege isn't it. Their hard-earned success was much easier to come by than a women whose achieved the same level of success. That's what privilege means. It was easier for man to gain that success than their women counterpart. Perhaps not so rhet…

> Their hard-earned success was much easier to come by than a women whose achieved the same level of success.

But perhaps the men never wanted to be engineers and society forced them. It wasn't easy for them to give up their dreams. But they did because of evil society.

It goes both ways.

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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Like i said before.. this is not a world wide social problem, my college was almost half boys, half girls. The highest grade was a girl, why? not because she was a girl.. but because she was freaking smart. Its like african americans complaining about racism, i don't get it.. they are the coolest thing on earth right now!! Ignore that uneducated minority and move on.

I'm sure there are areas of the world where gender equality isn't a problem, but where your're from (mexico as indicated above) it most certainly is. A quick internet search came up with hundreds of articles on the gender equality issues in Mexico, including, a female to male income ratio of .62, ranking Mexico 53rd (USA is 13th at .67). So guess what, privileged male, it is a very big problem where you live.

Ah! I shouldn't feed the trolls.

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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You mean you would support them as much if they supported white males with blond hair ?

Annnnnnd we've gone full Godwin in less than an hour! Nice work, HN. Hit the showers.

1. You could also say that Alphabetus law says that in any discussion the likelihood of using all letters of alphabet approaches 1. So what? Godwin's law doesn't say anything about validity or invalidity of mentioning Nazis or Hitler.

2. I meant neither Nazis nor Hitler. I merely pointed out that if they were giving free accounts to a group that is not (considered to be) discriminated then suddenly it wouldn't be so cool.

And just in case: there are many white males with blond hair around, I know quite a few personally and I've never suspected them to be Nazis. If you have any proof that some of them are give me a shout so that I can unfriend them!

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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Nope, just giving support to a demographic that they'd like to see growth in. It's what smart companies do.

You mean you would support them as much if they supported white males with blond hair ?

And one more thing - I'm not against Ada Initiative or Github giving them free accounts. Good for them & cheers!

What I'm sayin is that justifications like this one:

"This reluctance has good reasons behind it: fear of being told they are bad programmers, fear of being publicly mocked or harassed, and even fear of losing job opportunities. All of these are greater risks for women on average than men."

are IMO simply not cool. You discriminate one group of people, favor another group and all that in the name of equality.

Re: GitHub donates private repositories to women learning open source software

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That last paragraph is exactly the reason i hate this sexist talks, it doesn't matter if its the boys or girls that are complaining.. I don't know if that's the case in the place you are living right now but, if you think that being a boy or a girl its an advantage then you are part of that problem.. Boys will always be boys, ignore them and move on.

If you can't recognize that men have a vast amount of privilege compared to women, then I don't really know what to say. Last year a man named Geordie Tait posted an article called "To My Someday Daughter"[1]. It's quite long, but definitely worth reading. The context is gaming, but the central thesis is sexism. One quote from the article that really opened my eyes to how radically different men and women view the wo…

Like most things the Ada Initiative does, this makes no sense once you scratch past the surface.

Even if women risk more criticism as newbies, the risk still exists for everyone, and solving it for part of the group only is discrimination.

If Github really cared about intimidation, they would offer a free private repo to new users as a promo, or perhaps have a $1/month micro plan. Instead they accept a small minority of users for free who wouldn't have paid anyway and score good will PR points.

And if the Ada Initiative cared about making women a part of the community, then they would recognize that those women will want to collaborate in private with men too, who should be given the same opportunity to experiment in private.

Modern feminists are the biggest sexists around, they keep acting like women can't compete with men on equal ground, even in a place as anonymous as the internet.

Have you ever noticed how the people complaining the loudest about online abuse are always the ones with the biggest pictures of themselves on their blogs? Featuring their lovely blue hair, tattoos, piercings, shot in their Pinterest-approved bedrooms? It's princesses all over again, and most women can see through the bullshit too.

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