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Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by runn1ng »

ed209 wrote: post #145
achompas wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are serial killers who actually kill people really shocking to people? Yes, universally so. Because they kill people and murder is a Bad Thing. Social networks that index information produced willingly by members aren't in the same country as your analogy.

Except that in Iran, you get hung for being gay. It's not a huge stretch to see what this search is implying > “Islamic men interested in men who live in Tehran, Iran“… “Places where they’ve worked.”

What should Facebook do?

Censor itself in Iran?

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by mark_integerdsv »

MortenK wrote: post #156
derleth wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't like it, then quit. Assuming you're socially allowed to quit Facebook.

Quitting Facebook is really not that big of a deal. You won't become a social pariah, an outcast or loose all your friends because you cancel a website account.

I guess that depends.

I'm 33, married, two kids.

I have never used Facebook but I do feel 'out of the loop.' especially since the baby arrived - I don't hear about things 'through the grapevine' and subsequently seldom find myself with many social options on the days that I have free.

This is good for my startup but bad for my self esteem.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by Nursie »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #104
derleth wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we shouldn't live in a world where people should be scared to be openly gay in Iran, or openly a Falun Gong member in China. Those are the things we should focus on and try and change. Right. Wonderful. How?

How should I know?

So in the mean time it's ok that this sort of tool is freely accessible to make it real easy to persecute them?

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by dutchbrit »

ed209 wrote: post #145
achompas wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are serial killers who actually kill people really shocking to people? Yes, universally so. Because they kill people and murder is a Bad Thing. Social networks that index information produced willingly by members aren't in the same country as your analogy.

Except that in Iran, you get hung for being gay. It's not a huge stretch to see what this search is implying > “Islamic men interested in men who live in Tehran, Iran“… “Places where they’ve worked.”

Indeed.

The thing is, the results in that screenshot don't necessarily mean gay.

Interested in might mean I'm interested in networking or meeting new people, being male or female. Interested in doesn't necessarily mean I'm interested in sticking my penis in *.

Also, all people in that screenshot are also interested in females.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by flyinRyan »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #69
GuiA wrote: post #50

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>A snarky and mean-spirited stereotyping of all nerds as socially inept! How clever. Not at all. I'm just willing to bet that the average Facebook employee has never had to hide his sexuality/political/religious beliefs for fear of execution/incarceration/abuse to his family/etc. Yet a non-negligible part of Facebook's user base are people precisely in this situation. That being said, the very fact that you call what…

I think by 'silliness' he's referring to "Girls who live nearby who are single and like Getting drunk!" Fair call in my opinion. I made this point in another post: the take-away from this link shouldn't be how bad it was of Facebook to not realise that making available powerful search tools for already-public data might put some people in an unfortunate spotlight. The real take-away is that we shouldn't live in a wor…

>And we should appreciate, rather than chastise, the tools which make us realise that there are things we need to improve in the world.

What? Of course we all want the world to be a better place, but Facebook has no right to put people's lives in danger to try and force the issue. If they're so worried about making the world a better place they should do it themselves, not just open the flood gates on their users.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by derleth »

ghshephard wrote: post #137
derleth wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you don't like it, then quit. Assuming you're socially allowed to quit Facebook.

"Assuming you're socially allowed to quit Facebook." I don't even know what that means. How is it that all of the rest of us managed to quite Facebook and continue to have a relatively vibrant social life. Is it the case that WhatsApp/Viber/SMS/Email are no longer considered effective means of communication to get together?

> How is it that all of the rest of us managed to quite Facebook and continue to have a relatively vibrant social life.

Because some people have different lives than you.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by flyinRyan »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #34
CoffeeDregs wrote: post #27

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Wow. When Graph Searches were announced, I thought "meh, I'm tired of FB...". I never thought to explore what Graph Searches actually meant . And I would never have done so or will do so, but I'm very glad that someone has investigated the system. >it will always lead to situations like that which are [bad] I wonder if there isn't some definition analogous to "Turing complete" for social graphs? i.e. with a sufficien…

Zuckerberg thinks people complain about privacy because they're old-fashioned and scared of the future. He thinks in the future we're all going to be extremely open, share shit all the time, aaaand basically the whole world is going to be one big chat room where people don't really hide things any more. Personally I think he's probably right. It has shades of that old totalitarian argument, 'why should you be worried…

>He thinks in the future we're all going to be extremely open, share shit all the time, aaaand basically the whole world is going to be one big chat room where people don't really hide things any more.

He claimed to believe that after he had make everyone's private account information public again for about the fifth time. I'm not sure if he really believes something so ridiculous and nonsensical or he simply decided to claim to have a motto that would explain why he kept revealing everyone's secrets other than the obvious one: it makes him more advertising money to do so.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by elorant »

I wonder guys working at Facebood don't realize that a service like that may end in their demise? If people begin to understand that the activity they're declaring online can be used against them, or to put it mildly to identify them in ways they might not want, they will stop using the damn site.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by Jgrubb »

mark_integerdsv wrote: post #162
MortenK wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quitting Facebook is really not that big of a deal. You won't become a social pariah, an outcast or loose all your friends because you cancel a website account.

I guess that depends. I'm 33, married, two kids. I have never used Facebook but I do feel 'out of the loop.' especially since the baby arrived - I don't hear about things 'through the grapevine' and subsequently seldom find myself with many social options on the days that I have free. This is good for my startup but bad for my self esteem.

Hey there, 34, married, 3 kids here. You have two good options in this situation. One is to get your wife on FB so she can keep you in the loop. The other is to have one more kid and then you won't have to worry about what to do with your free time because you won't have any ever again. If you're starting up, I'd recommend option A.

Re: Actual Facebook Graph Searches

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Post by flyinRyan »

corporalagumbo wrote: post #24

Maybe this seems horrible right now, but Facebook didn't create these problems and contradictions, it just exposed them uncomfortably. I expect that the eventual abuses springing from this exposure will spur a counterreaction, hopefully with net-positive results. After all, what's the most meaningful take-away from this? Is it that Facebook is endangering individuals? Not really. Powerful, global social search tools…

> Is it that Facebook is endangering individuals? Not really.

They most certainly are! Facebook keeps changing the rules of the game. There is a reason why so many countries have Ex post facto law. Facebook, by contract, ends up focusing on Ex post facto exploitation. Would people have put in these likes on the same account had they known that FB would create a search that would let anyone, anywhere do a simple query that exposes them in some way?

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