Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want" • Hacker News Board

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by JabavuAdams » Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 7:02 PM UTC

pflats wrote: post #147

aw3c2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a jerk for calling them jerks. If it is "pay what you want" then you are invited to do exactly that. If you want to pay nothing, you may do so. It is perfectly inside the rules of the event.

Yes, it is within the rules of the event. There are lots of ways to play within the rules and still be a jerk. Everyone who bought the cards for under $3 was faced with a decision: do I want these badly enough to literally cost the people who make them money? Did you answer yes? Cool, you probably acted selfishly. Own it.

Yet they did not cost these guys money. The game's creators advertised a pay-what-you-want event because they had a reasonable expectation of making a profit (for charity) even though many people would pay $0.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by JabavuAdams » Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 7:05 PM UTC

petsos wrote: post #154

aw3c2 wrote: post #149

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The wording makes all the difference. In this case it was "pay what you want", so "take as many potato skins as you want". Would someone who takes that invitation still be a jerk? Or just selfish? Or a hacker? This reminds me of http://www.untoldentertainment.com/blog/2011/03/05/holding-t...

You are not a hacker and you are not gaming anything. You are just an asshole. People thinking like you are the reason we will soon need a lawyer just to cross the road. I invite you to score yourself in the psychopathy checklist ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist ) and let us know how it went.

Two things that make the world a worse place are excessive anger and self-righteousness.

Why are you so angry over this? Perhaps you should seek help.

Rules were established. Transactions were carried out according to those rules. Shock, horror, your supposed victim even made a profit (according to their own accounting). Why are you angry?

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by peterwwillis » Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 8:39 PM UTC

aw3c2 wrote: post #149

peterwwillis wrote: post #130

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If I made a whole bunch of awesome potato skins for a party and said "It is suggested you only take up to two potato skins", and you take 10, you are a jerk. Or at an open bar, if you don't tip the bartenders you are a jerk. Or if there's a potluck and it's suggested everyone brings something, and you bring nothing. Jerk. "The rules" don't define whether you are a jerk or not. How you behave in the situation, does. T…

The wording makes all the difference. In this case it was "pay what you want", so "take as many potato skins as you want". Would someone who takes that invitation still be a jerk? Or just selfish? Or a hacker? This reminds me of http://www.untoldentertainment.com/blog/2011/03/05/holding-t...

Being a jerk to win a game is still being a jerk.

The wording also said there was a suggested price of $5. "Pay what you want" is the equivalent of saying "tip what you want". You could "game" an open bar by never tipping, but that would make you a huge jerk.

Society is not based on rules. It is based on social interaction. You can break the rules and not be a jerk, and you can follow the rules and be a jerk. Rules have nothing to do with jerkitude.

Oh, and if I told someone "take as many potato skins as you want" with a bunch of other people there who might also like potato skins, and you take them all, you are again a huge jerk. Being nice to other people is important. Just like you shouldn't take all the potato skins, you should try to reimburse the makers of the game for at least their cost.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by dbaupp » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 8:08 AM UTC

polshaw wrote: post #75

icelancer wrote: post #49

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It isn't. That person put his name in as "Huge Asshole."

And in doing so almost certainly netted CAH more profit via the free advertising than if they had paid $5 (which, they still may have done). TBH, i wouldn't be shocked if it was an inside job.

Maybe not. I'm sure quite a few other people tried $0just to see if they got called "Huge Asshole".

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by npsimons » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 5:31 PM UTC

ars wrote: post #135

npsimons wrote: post #62

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As a customer, I support this thinking. Most people (at least in USA) are encouraging the race to the bottom by caring only about price, consequences be damned. But I can honestly say, after thinking about it, I can't really see a large number of cases where slightly higher price would be bad. As a merchant, you can take that money, use it to make your next generation of products better, pay a better wage, heck even…

> Most people (at least in USA) are encouraging the race to the bottom by caring only about price, consequences be damned. Are you serious? People have cared mainly about price since the dawn of history. Obviously people have particular quality level they want, but once that's met if it's a tradeoff between quality and price, price virtually always wins.

Firstly, I limited it to USA because that's what I am familiar with. Secondly, please note the "consequences be damned" proviso, which flatly contradicts people having a quality level they want. What I've seen indicates to me that the quality of mass produced goods has steadily declined (at least in my lifetime), and the only benefit gained seems to have been a slightly lowered price. Market pressures, combined with the fact that most people don't really think long term, can easily explain this phenomenon. People will gladly pay $10 for a pair of shoes that will last a year, rather than $50 for a pair that will last 10 years.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by lotyrin » Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 5:45 PM UTC

jacalata wrote: post #118

lotyrin wrote: post #111

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The money spent on essentials may also be essential, but things can both be essential and the side effects of processes which have some other primary intent.

Doing something for free doesn't get you any cash as a side effect.

I'm not sure why you don't get this, but there's a huge gap between not having money be the primary intended result of your actions and having money not at all be a result of your actions.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by thenonsequitur » Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 12:06 PM UTC

gergles wrote: post #69

Argh, I saw this two weeks ago, did a "remember to buy this when you get home" thing, and then forgot. I hope the expansion cards are made available somewhere. I enjoy CAH and am glad to send money as new bits are made available. It'd be interesting to see if the "pay what you want" strategy works for you guys a second time now that you released such detailed data. You'd think it might make people more likely to pay…

I made a similar mistake. I saw it, but saw no clear way to post different addresses for shipping and billing. I asked if there was a way on their facebook page, figuring that if I got an answer explaining how, I would pay (was planning on a $10 payment actually), and than if I didn't get an answer, I would just opt for $0 payment and put in my shipping address.

I then went about my business, completely forgot about the question I asked on facebook (because they never answered), and never ended up submitting the form.

Oh well.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Post by thenonsequitur » Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 12:12 PM UTC

matthooks wrote: post #11

Hey guys, I developed this site. I'll be around for a little while if you have any tech questions. Edit: Please note that this pay what you can was just for the holiday-related expansion set, not the full game.

Was there any way to enter different shipping and billing addresses? Right now I can't have anything shipped to my billing address, and on that form, I didn't see an option to set different addresses, so I couldn't pay for it. If you do this again, I'd recommend having that option (or making it more apparent if it was there).

(I was actually planning on paying $10, until I couldn't see how to enter different shipping addresses, at which point I changed my plan to pay $0 and enter just my shipping address. And then I proceeded to fail at both plans, not submitting the form at all due to my own forgetfulness.)