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Cluster B society tantrums
Demeaning people who are trying to improve the world is pathetic.
I concur.
'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'
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It would have been in the interests of the Nazis to do so!
> It would have been in the interests of the Nazis to do so! Then you should probably ask yourself why your recommended course of action is in the interests of the Nazis?
Astonishing reply. It would also be in their interests for Nazis to eat three meals a day, tip their hat to old ladies in the street, and get a good night's rest.
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It would have been in the interests of the Nazis to do so!
> It would have been in the interests of the Nazis to do so! Then you should probably ask yourself why your recommended course of action is in the interests of the Nazis?
The Nazis were anti tobacco. If you're not pro tobacco, you should probably ask yourself why you have the same stance as the Nazis.
Re: 'We used acid to sabotage Microsoft hyperscale data centre construction'
#164Companies at this scale only speak existential threat. If you can't pose one, they don't even know you exist. I question whether this made enough of a dent to be noticed, but it's a start.
Companies at every scale speak marginal gains/losses. Microsoft looks at this the same way your local drugstore considers shoplifting. They will look at property damage in the context of potential revenue & margin, possibly accounting for cost of mitigations. If it continues to make sense, they will continue. If it doesn't they will consider raising prices until it does make sense, or relocating to jurisdictions with…
That's a problem if your goal is to get them to lower prices, but it's a win if you're trying to get them to go away.
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That can't happen, because political positions are basically hereditary. Do you know what happened to every other hereditary political system?
I call baloney. What percentage of the US Congress and governors, say, are people whose parents were in Congress and/or governors? I have no hard data, but my gut feel is less than 25%. That's basically not hereditary. Anyone with hard data, step right up...
I get that it's a single case, but Darlene Graham did just take Lindsey Graham's spot, like, yesterday.
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You are underestimating how much co2 is released during ciment production and overestimating what is released by powering datancenters. In 2024, datancenter have consumed 1% of the total worldwide electricity production and are responsible for 0.5% of the co2 emissions.¹ 1- https://www.carbonbrief.org/ai-five-charts-that-put-data-cen...
cement is responsible for 8% I heard
That's for all cement in the entire world, not one data center. This math is not hard. Plastic is roughly 5% of our emissions but you would not point at one straw and say it is worth 5% of all emissions.
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Very unintentionally funny for you to say this here of all places.
is it? from where I stand, hn seems to be one of the exceptionally few remaining places where the mods don't take sides so the obnoxious minority doesn't get to win arguments by silencing everyone else like they do everywhere else.
This site literally has a user powered ranking system so dissenting opinions get downvoted. It is an echo chamber.
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It’s as productive as people who glue themselves to roadways. It irritates drivers/commuters (who are then more likely to have a negative view of the cause) and it slows traffic resulting in even more fuel usage. Yet, they think they are doing something good.
Yet here we are talking about the environmental impact of Microsoft data centres in NL. We wouldn’t otherwise be.
It's literally a building that turns electricity into reasonably intelligent text and we're still here talking about environmental impacts. Is this where we're at with NIMBYism in the West now? Will there ever be popular support to build industrial production any more?
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In the end the consumer pays. Why should the consumer pay tax on the fossil fuels used to bring them AI but not on the fossil fuels used to bring them to work? That's the inconsistency.
Is gas not taxed or am I missing something?
Yes it is but there are 2 items at issue:
- if we are concerned about environmental externalities (as we should be IMO) then we have to ask if current taxes were designed to price those externalities or if they were just designed to pay off infrastructure. As far as I understand, it's the latter, so if we want to ensure polluters pay, whether they operate an AI data center or an Acura, we might need to charge more. Importantly this need not be tax - it can just be something immediately refunded to all citizens, so you end up with a scenario where people who use a lot are paying people who use little.
- the original poster seemed to feel that some gas consumers should pay much more than others. If we do policy based on vibes, this makes sense. Big = bad vibes = pay more. But IMO vibes are a very bad basis for good policy and will just make things worse.