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Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by Theodores »

inigyou wrote: post #133
Theodores wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is important if you get your news from sources outside of the 'Anglo American empire'. People all over the planet use Telegram to curate their own news feeds and cultivate their own communities. This is generally done with a view to promote understanding rather than to spread misinformation. Telegram is great if you want the perspective of 'the other side' or 'both sides' if you 'trust but verify'. Some peop…

> Telegram is important if you get your news from sources outside of the 'Anglo American empire'. Or 'alternative views' within the empire, like antivax, flat earth, anti immigration, and so on. I bet these two things are related to each other.

Don't be immature! Stick to what you know.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by econ »

Krasnol wrote: post #145
forgotmypw17 wrote: post #143

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But it's not "his" problem or "my" problem, it's "our" mutual problem for "us" to figure out together, collaboratively, down to its root causes, which are yet unknown. (And in the future, to mitigate and prevent, using whatever means are available to us.)

Maybe. If someone choses to do so in their capacity. But they don't have to. On the other side, suggesting that it is a general issue with those programs is wrong. Which is what I have been actually pointing out. This gives you the chance to check your devices and seek help if necessary. This doesn't make my comment "bad support". I am not the tech support guy for HN.

I sometimes send an email with 1) the things that don't work, 2) terrible ui, 3) possible improvements. Most often I've moved on to similar software that does what I want.

I get responses like. 1) It works for me, 2) you should have looked at this and that, 3) no one wants that/it works fine the way it is.

The worse part is that they wasted their time reading and responding.

I've had wonderful feedback on things I've made. The funniest were people who didn't understand standard ui convention. It had me wonder if I can expose mission critical parts some other way in case the user doesn't know how a hamburger menu works.

Imagine my shock when I learn a young user conditioned by modern flat buttons thought [shall we say] windows 95 industrial buttons are decorations. You can click on that???

If I pretend it is their problem I haven't actually solved anything.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by Krasnol »

econ wrote: post #162
Krasnol wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. If someone choses to do so in their capacity. But they don't have to. On the other side, suggesting that it is a general issue with those programs is wrong. Which is what I have been actually pointing out. This gives you the chance to check your devices and seek help if necessary. This doesn't make my comment "bad support". I am not the tech support guy for HN.

I sometimes send an email with 1) the things that don't work, 2) terrible ui, 3) possible improvements. Most often I've moved on to similar software that does what I want. I get responses like. 1) It works for me, 2) you should have looked at this and that, 3) no one wants that/it works fine the way it is. The worse part is that they wasted their time reading and responding. I've had wonderful feedback on things I've…

I can't work with this generalised approach as it's not helpful or meaningful.

In this case here, OP is obviously overdramatising the situation. Adding to this is the lack of details. This happens really often and the cause is many times not in the hands of the people who are confronted with the problem.

So you can assume that if someone took their time to read your complains, they would have taken the time to consider it. Therefore chances are quite good that the answer you've gotten really means that you're the problem.

I don't say there is no lazy support. It happens but just because you get the "your problem"-answer, doesn't mean it's always lazy support.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by Grombobulous »

ameliaquining wrote: post #156
Grombobulous wrote: post #139

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This just makes me realize that three letter agencies of basically every country probably have an extremely easy time getting access to things by simply getting people hired as regular employees through mundane and routine means.

One hopes that the usual defenses against insider risk provide some help here.

Essentially what I am saying is that most companies do a terrible job of that sort of thing and largely can’t fathom what an actual attack looks like.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by SpaceL10n »

sophacles wrote: post #37
SpaceL10n wrote: post #33

For a hot second there I was really excited to learn about historical telegram "data centers". It's a capital T.

You may have already read it, but portions of this sprawling (and very very good) essay by Neal Stephenson get into the topic: Mother Earth Mother Board - https://www.wired.com/1996/12/ffglass/

thank you, i have it in my reading list now.

Re: Mysteries of Telegram Data Centers (2022)

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Post by SpaceL10n »

Terr_ wrote: post #66
SpaceL10n wrote: post #33

For a hot second there I was really excited to learn about historical telegram "data centers". It's a capital T.

As a tangential niche-tourism shoutout: https://www.telcomhistory.org/ConnectionsSeattle.html Granted, most of it is a bit newer than the heyday of telegrams, but there's a little bit of overlap.

thank you, i have it in my reading list now.
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