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Re: Cyberpunk Comics, Manga and Graphic Novels

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staticman2 wrote: post #157
the_af wrote: post #91

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If you've seen the original movie, other than nudity there is very little horny in it. No sex, no banter about sex, no erotica. The female body, even if well endowed, is depicted clinically and emotionless. There are no lecherous characters, nobody chasing girls, etc. No romance even, though the relationship between Motoko and Batou is somewhat ambiguous. Shirow's manga is horny though, partly why I dislike it.

The movie starts with a bunch of female nudity during the credit sequence. It's arty but there's no doubt it's done that way in part due to horniness.

Yes, I addressed this: Kusanagi appears naked often; the intro scene is definitely striking and somewhat of fan service. However, there's little sexy about this in the movie, the characters don't behave sexy, there are no lecherous moments, etc. In fact, sex is barely acknowledged at all. It's not a "horny" movie.

The manga is different.

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aspenmayer wrote: post #159
staticman2 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The movie starts with a bunch of female nudity during the credit sequence. It's arty but there's no doubt it's done that way in part due to horniness.

I think the sexuality of Kusanagi works on multiple levels. She is a full cyborg, and she could present however she wishes. She explicitly uses her appearance toward social engineering ends in the Stand Alone Complex series. I’m not very familiar with the manga, from what I do remember, Kusanagi is bisexual and is likely “fully functional” sexually, but her body as depicted isn’t really her own, as she relies upon re…

In the movie Kusanagi isn't bisexual. No reference is made to her sexuality at all. One could argue her demeanor is completely asexual. The only human side we see of her is her wondering whether she's human at all.

Movie Kusanagi is her own thing, mostly unrelated to the manga or other adaptations.

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Post by corimaith »

It's interesting how genre coding have become much more enforced these years. Back in the early 2010s we would call most of these just "sci-fi", because the influence and aesthetics of cyberpunk has already bled into the wider genre that you'd be more hard pressed to find a story without some influence on it.

But despite the author's veneration of 90s and 2000s, I'd argue the works from the late 2000s and early 2010s are just as sophisticated and arguably more relevant to our modern world; Project Itoh (Genocidal Organ, Harmony), Gatchaman Crowds, Beatless, alot of their themes were prescient; Because the frontier isn't hardware, it's ontology and semantics.

Re: Cyberpunk Comics, Manga and Graphic Novels

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Post by Animats »

tangenter wrote: post #37

So much of this space has been collapsed into homogenized entertainment. Nowadays, by the time a child is ten years old they have seen every form of the hero’s journey in the cartoons they watch, to the degree where there are tropes and nods to source material or even sometimes derivatives of source. Sci fi, fantasy and other genres are blended in as hooks because cartoons have to keep viewership and eye balls, so th…

> they have seen every form of the hero’s journey

Popular culture fiction is usually more like Pixar's "Structure stories with: Once upon a time… Every day… One day… Because of that… Until finally…". Real biographies are almost never like that. But almost the entire Marvel/Pixar/Lucasfilm output is about the Chosen One. None of the main characters work their way up.

Re: Cyberpunk Comics, Manga and Graphic Novels

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Post by reformd »

fluoridation wrote: post #121
cgannett wrote: post #115

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Disagree, corvids collecting bullet casings because they are shiny is heavily Shadowrun/WoD/Hellboy coded aesthetically. Regular birds gathering fiber optic cables for nests is EXTREMELY CYBERPUNK are you kidding? The image evokes so much: capitalist excess, tech waste involving computers/internet/cybernetics, war bad, environmental degredation etc... the only part about this concept that isnt heavily cyberpunk is th…

>capitalist excess ...What? It's waste from expended munitions. The Ukranian war isn't a corporate war, it's a war between sovereign nations. The drones were produced by and bought from corporations (I assume) but the result of the arms race for better measures and countermeasures would have been the same if each country had produced its own gear. >tech waste involving computers/internet/cybernetics Again, something…

> as long that war is to counter the power of corporations.

didn't know that war was an integral part of the theme, or countering corpo powers. never read any manifest, though, ... the farce seemed less interesting than the chrome ...

I thought cyberpunk was about the illusion of not being a laissez-faire self-made instrument ...

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