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Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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atomicnumber3 wrote: post #142
Aurornis wrote: post #124

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It gets even worse. The person not only kept the laptop and used an exploit to download confidential Apple documents, they bragged about it to a contact who was still working at Apple who was also feeding him information: > Liu allegedly kept an Apple-issued laptop after departing the company and exploited a vulnerability to download dozens of confidential Apple documents while he was working at OpenAI. He also maint…

Nah man that's how you end up in the permanent underclass. If you want to make it you have to throw everyone and everything else under the bus, be a bizarrely mustache-twirling evil misanthrope and general freakazoid-type loser, and most importantly get too big to fail / too rich to sue bc you have the good lawyers who can basically stall suits to death. Here's an application to Wendy's.

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Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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paul7986 wrote: post #113
ErneX wrote: post #9

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Appalling.

It is but it is the Silicon Valley way and business way for many. Steamroll and do whatever it takes to win and be successful. Morals what are those?

Exactly. If ever there was a y'all deserve eachother situation, it is this.

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Post by nextos »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #160
saghm wrote: post #132

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The crucial part of why non-competes are gross is that they're trying to enforce what you do after someone stopped receiving anything from the past employer . If someone is helping competitors when still working somewhere, or actively taking stuff from their past employer after they've left, then yeah, of course that's dumb and should be punished. But there's no reason a non-compete clause is needed for that!

Theft of trade secrets and a non-compete are unrelated and separate things.

Yes, this is why garden leaves are popular in quant finance.

You get paid for about a year to do nothing so that the trade secrets from your firm (trading strategies) expire.

That's very different from a non-compete. A non-compete is about your own know-how, not the company's.

Re: Apple sues OpenAI, accuses ex-employees of stealing trade secrets

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JumpCrisscross wrote: post #141
Aurornis wrote: post #124

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It gets even worse. The person not only kept the laptop and used an exploit to download confidential Apple documents, they bragged about it to a contact who was still working at Apple who was also feeding him information: > Liu allegedly kept an Apple-issued laptop after departing the company and exploited a vulnerability to download dozens of confidential Apple documents while he was working at OpenAI. He also maint…

We need criminal charges to be filed against Liu, Tan and Peng. (And deep discovery to find anything Altman might have said to or about them.)

Wait, who is “we”? Why are you so invested in enforcing Apple’s IP rights?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #159

Hot take, but Apple has done the same and worse to many other companies when they could. Of course Apple can sue and they will probably settle some amount with OpenAI, but acting like this is not commonplace in today’s business environment, and OpenAI is uniquely worse at stealing corporate secrets is laughable. Especially considering Apple’s famous history!

> Apple has done the same and worse to many other companies when they could

The closest involved Apple selling Xerox pre-IPO shares [1]. And there are zero allegations any PARC employees who moved to Apple with confidential information the this has gone down.

> acting like this is not commonplace in today’s business environment

It's not. It's why it gets litigated and criminally charged. I won't disagree that there is a section of Americans who think it's commonplace. But that's because they're either personally doing the crimes or surrounded by criminals.

[1] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-02-21/larry-tesl...

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Post by fsthrowaway »

zzyzxd wrote: post #107
ErneX wrote: post #5

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This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

Those people are designers. And they don't necessarily understand software, data, or security. When I explained to my non-technical friends about how they were being tracked by website cookies, it sounded like a sci fi story to them. But yes, it's dumb. I was more surprised by how they managed to keep using work devices after termination. This sounds to me like a failure of their manager to do their job to follow the…

> This sounds to me like a failure of their manager to do their job to follow the standard exit process.

It's very safe to assume Apple has a standard exit process, for low level ICs.

Tan was Apple's vice president of iPhone and Apple Watch product design. This person worked for Apple for 25 years and likely a friend of top executives. I wouldn't be surprised if he just hugged everyone and casually walked out on his last day.

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Post by IcyWindows »

nujabe wrote: post #165
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #141

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We need criminal charges to be filed against Liu, Tan and Peng. (And deep discovery to find anything Altman might have said to or about them.)

Wait, who is “we”? Why are you so invested in enforcing Apple’s IP rights?

Some people care about justice in general?

Also, normalizing stealing IP is only going to have bad consequences for everyone.

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Post by AussieWog93 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #152
Aurornis wrote: post #124

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It gets even worse. The person not only kept the laptop and used an exploit to download confidential Apple documents, they bragged about it to a contact who was still working at Apple who was also feeding him information: > Liu allegedly kept an Apple-issued laptop after departing the company and exploited a vulnerability to download dozens of confidential Apple documents while he was working at OpenAI. He also maint…

>Whenever I leave a company I make sure everything that belongs to the company goes back to them Because you're probably come from a high trust culture where you've been taught reciprocal trust, responsibility and accountability, but there's people coming from low trust environments where exploiting loopholes and scamming everyone outside their inner circle is the norm, and it's the way they learned to get ahead in l…

Ok, the implication that I'm reading between the lines is that this sort of behaviour is somehow more tolerated by people with names like Liu and Tan, but is this actually the case?

I know there's some evidence of Chinese people working at big tech and feeding data back to the CCP but is this a "low trust culture" issue in general or an extrapolation of that one pattern?

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