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IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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It's simply stunning to me to see how long it's taken the computer geeks to work this out. Apple stopped making toys for you over a decade ago and you are only just realising it now? I guess this is another consequence of the filter bubble. As all we read on the internet is the opinion of other geeks, we forget that geeks are hopelessly outnumbered by normals and they are the ones Apple is targeting and reaping the r…

There is also a contingent of UNIX users who use Mac OS X pragmatically. I have never had the illusion that Apple wasn't a consumer device company at heart. But Macs have been great UNIX workstations for the last decade or so. Once they make more serious attempts to turn their laptop line into 'iOS computers', I'll switch back to Linux or BSD. But for now, it is good hardware with a good UNIX operating system.

When I was at CERN, back in 2004 they made a session at the IT building showing us how great it would be to use Mac OS X as UNIX workstation.

Those days are long gone it seems.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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It's simply stunning to me to see how long it's taken the computer geeks to work this out. Apple stopped making toys for you over a decade ago and you are only just realising it now? I guess this is another consequence of the filter bubble. As all we read on the internet is the opinion of other geeks, we forget that geeks are hopelessly outnumbered by normals and they are the ones Apple is targeting and reaping the r…

There is also a contingent of UNIX users who use Mac OS X pragmatically. I have never had the illusion that Apple wasn't a consumer device company at heart. But Macs have been great UNIX workstations for the last decade or so. Once they make more serious attempts to turn their laptop line into 'iOS computers', I'll switch back to Linux or BSD. But for now, it is good hardware with a good UNIX operating system.

I just bought a MacBook Air last week, after a 2 year break without a Mac laptop. I had been using Lion and Mountain Lion on a Mac Mini, but the last week or so have been a revelation for me. Crazy battery life (about 9 hours of normal programming), full screen apps with swiping to switch between them, fast fast fast at everyday operations thanks to the SSD, the whole thing is at the same time a major turn towards iDevice-ification, and a giant leap forward in usability for laptops.

I wonder how many people worrying about iOS-ification are:

a) running Lion, where the transition was still in mid-course, or

b) using a desktop, where the design decisions aren't so obviously right (my Mac Mini for example has a huge monitor, hence I'm less inclined to use full-screen apps)

In case a), there were definite weakness in Lion. Full-screen apps hadn't yet made their near-global appearance, and Spaces was ... weird. These problems have been shaken out in Mountain Lion. For b) it seems to me that OSX has been optimised for the laptop environment, where screen real-estate is limited. If you aren't using full-screen as your standard app config, you're missing out on some of what makes Mountain Lion a great experience).

When I compare all of this to the laptop I use at work, a Dell running Fedora, there is no comparison. My Mac is a far, far better development machine (well, aside from the fact that brew is weak sauce compared to a full-blown yum, but then this is not news). It's not a question of there being pros and cons on each side, my Mac is simply better for pretty much any metric I care to imagine.

Which is not to say that some people may not have genuine grievances with the current Mac platform. I just wanted to add my own personal experience - going from being mildly disappointed by Lion to completely wowed by Mountain Lion.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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>> Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings. Just cut the emotional crap, it appears to impair your ability to see the point I'm trying to make. I've been using Linux and OS X alongside each other for over a decade, and many other *nix derivatives at work. I just pick the right tool for the right job, and more often than not, a Mac running OS X turns out to be the choice that offers…

The issue here is that recent releases of OSX have sucked more than some earlier releases of OSX, and it's annoying some people. The hardware is now even more locked down than ever. These are facts. Does it mean you have to stop using a mac? No. Does it mean that some people are moving away from macs? Yes. Does it mean you need to rage because there's an article that mentions 'fan boys'? Not really. Chill out. If you…

The hardware is not more locked down than ever.

"Case" in point, I had the MBP17 just before change to unibody, and now the unibody. To replace the HD in the older model involved a half dozen more steps including removing the keyboard and various components. In the current model, just open the bottom and swap the drive.

I had the white Mac Mini (last model with DVD) and needed a metal spatula to get into it to upgrade RAM. With the current model, I needed... my fingertips.

And of course the Mac Pro (tower) is as open as ever.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Can devs sign apps with a self-signed root? If that's not possible, it's a closed garden already. And even if it is we can't be certain that they won't change it to App Store only in the future.

Users can disable the check.

That's a nonanswer; the majority of users does not know what the hell that is, and the people that do are going to think twice about disabling system-wide security to run some app.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#165
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Any user who doesn't know what Gatekeeper's purpose is (and how to disable it) probably stand to benefit from keeping it on. I imagine these people are the ones most at risk for downloading malware. I don't necessarily disagree (I have a mom too ;)), but: (1) there are many trustable open source programs that are unsigned because their developers cannot afford or do not want to pay $99 per year for an Apple developer…

> OS X could display a warning that the user can override. If it had an overridable dialog straight from double-click, people will just see this as an annoyance and end up clicking the "Yeah, whatever!" button without skipping a beat. The way it is, it's actually overridable per application with "right click->open" which gives you the overridable warning you wish for, with OSX actually remembering the overriding and…

The way it is, it's actually overridable per application with "right click->open"

As I said in my original comment ;).

This whitelisting apparently survives even Sparkle updating.

Sparkle probably never sets the com.apple.quarantine attribute and if the application does not have LSFileQuarantineEnabled set in its Info.plist, its downloaded files are not put in quarantaine. Applications that do not have that extended attribute are never checked.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#166
Couldn't disagree more. I'm very happy with Apple's current software/hardware products. Won't bother to go into detail since the author doesn't go into detail much with his gripes either. Not worth the keystrokes. (semi related I'm downright giddy about the new iTunes. I think it's a great sign of where Apple's desktop software is heading)

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Dell tried with Adamo. Vaio started out, and was for the longest time, the premium PC brand. It's not like they didn't try, it's more like they just gave up.

Except they did their very best to just make their 'premium' products a blatant money-grab and little else. Despite plunking down a pretty penny for premium brands or product lines, Dell and Sony would still nickel and dime you with LOADS of pre-installed crapware. (No experience with other manufacturers' 'premium' lines..) Of course they gave up -- it is bloody annoying to buy an expensive piece of hardware and then…

Not trying hard enough should never be an excuse.

They failed, and to be fair, most have failed. The fact of the matter is that is hard to dominate your market, everybody will downplay your success. And nobody will ever give credit to your product, or to your strategy, or to your business. It's always luck, customers with more money than brains, deception.

The iPod, the iPhone, the iPad. They were all flukes in history that are going to be corrected when the market corrects itself. Excuse me?

The truth is, Apple, and Audi and BMW, must be doing something right. It's just not something for you.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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You can't do less with an iPad than with an Apple II, you can do a great deal more. And you can also do a great deal more with an iPad if your previous experience with computers was mostly confusing. It depends on how you define "you". Broadly, the term "you" means "people". It doesn't mean "every person under the sun, especially programmers". If we correct for misinterpretations, I would say people in general can do…

Let's compare apples to apples (pun not intended) but it is fairly obvious you cannot do AS much on a tablet as on a desktop computer. You cannot do graphic design as well, you cannot do 3d modeling, photo editing, you cannot type office documents in the most efficient way, you cannot compress movies at reasonable speeds, you cannot develop for it (although I know this is technically possible it is far from being acc…

"When parents want to edit HD videos of their kids taken with their camcorder they will not run to their iPad to do it..."

On the contrary, the video editors on iPhone and iPad are hugely popular, and if we expand to include photos, the iOS photo editing dominance is staggering. Hordes of users began editing and publishing photos who never had.

With iPad 1 I still traveled with my MBP17. With iPad 2 I started to wish I could leave it at home.

With iPad 3, the Logitech Ultraslim keyboard, and the extra screen resolution (with multitasking gestures enabled to slide right/left between running apps), I now leave the MBP at home and use iSSH to manage servers and network, Google Apps for business tasks, Diet Coda and Koder for code editing and review, iPhoto and iMovie for media editing (I shoot Nikon D3 and it even keeps NEF+JPG as managed pairs), and iCab for web apps needing file uploads and downloads. If I run into a task I need a desktop for, say, to build an iOS app or test a web app in Windows 8, I VNC in.

All told, the frustration of doing everyday tasks with the iPad 3 and Logitech Ultraslim Keyboard cover has gotten low enough I leave the laptop at home even on extended trips, so it's certainly viable as the main machine for people whose job isn't as computing oriented or content creation oriented as mine.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#169
I am so tired of this bullshit. The iMac was never upgradeable, and it isn't designed to be. You needed two giant suction cups to get into it, and less than 0.5% of iMac owners ever did this. To buy an all in one for it's upgradability is simply retarded. You could upgrade the RAM or the hard drive, and on the new 27", you can upgrade the RAM with the push of a button.

So lets please cut the straw man arguments. You want to be cool for hating on Apple, and decided that ignominious post would do it. The problem, you just look like a fool. Apple has never made an easily upgradeable all in one, And yet, if you want to customize a Mac, you still have that option with the MacPro.

Lets call out the real reason; you want to feel cool. You felt Apple made you cool when they had a tiny market share, but now has too many users for you to feel exclusive.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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If you take 'Apple fanboys' to be the group who came to Apple in the early 2000s (I was amongst them) I think the parent is probably right. I fought the fights and put up with the greif for being the only developer with a Mac out of the 50 in the office. I lived on the bleeding edge - even paying for access to early unstable OS builds. I watched the OS get better and better with each release. It opened the doors to t…

I think that's a very specific definition which supports the argument but I don't really see any justification for that over, say, those who climbed on around the launch of the iPod or the iPhone. The views and expectations of those people would paint a very different picture. There are plenty of Apple fan boys (I'm using the term in a non-prejorative way indicentally, I've got three Apple devices on my desk right no…

I don't think it's useless. The fan boy phenomenon (of any type) is one of the more difficult and frustrating things in tech to deal with. Somebody who likes some company a lot, and buys their gadgets and thinks the stuff the company makes is swell, but is able to afford the fact that their company does do things wrongly sometimes is not a fan boy -- they're a fan and I don't think anybody has a problem with fans.

People who act as consistent apologists, who's identity is made up of their allegiance to this company and who react with shock and indignation that anybody could even propose that the company they've devoted a significant part of their psyche and lives to, could in any way be flawed...are fan boys. And they bring discourse to a halt by increasing the noise in a conversation to the point entire forums become useless, and actual fans get caught up in the crossfire...it's really frustrating and annoying.

And if you read all that and thought I was talking about Apple then you've missed the point. This exists as a kind of mixed-identification phenomenon exists across a broad spectrum of milieus. Car brands, politics, religion, etc. And it's to the benefit of these brands that they identify and recruit the people who are susceptible to fan boyism and use them as a deep pool of loyal customers and a passive defense to their organization's operations. Why try and spend time fighting off stories of negative aspects of your company when you have a million fan boys who'll do it for you?

And it's the constant noise they introduce, either in the form of an echo chamber of reinforcing good feeling but content free interactions or in the form of constant nonsensical diatribes and willfully ignorant defenses of their brand identity, that's why it's important for any on-line community to try and either turn fan boys into rational thinkers -- to separate the person's identity from the brand -- or drive them from the community.

HN is a place that needs signal, not noise. And fan boys bring only the loudest sort of static possible.

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