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US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by Timon3 »

CalRobert wrote: post #153
someonebaggy wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a 6 month probationary period not good enough to take a chance?

Longest I’ve seen in NL is 2 months, and it’s usually one. It’s common to string multiple “temporary” contracts together though. It still increases switching cost. As a worker with a permanent contract I have to weigh new opportunities against losing that. And it has real impacts! Getting a mortgage is harder on a temp contract (doable in NL, basically impossible in Ireland)

Six months is the default probationary period in Germany, I can't remember ever seeing a job without that.

Temporary contracts are also a thing here, but if there's no objective reason for the contract to be temporary it will end after max. two years. According to Verdi ~1/13 contracts are temporary - not great, but could be much worse.

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Post by bigfudge »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #106
armchairhacker wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outright bans would destroy European companies that rely on American companies. First they need to build their own infrastructure (which China has done).

What kind of 'infrastructure' did China have when they had "fallen out" with Google (in 2010?), that the EU does not have now ?

I agree. Beyond scale and inertia against moving (and frontier AI models) it’s not obvious to me what would be hard to replicate in Europe given regulation that mandated non-US hosting.

Most companies using hyper scalers are doing weird superstitious things at the behest of overpaid consultants. And the huge margins they take make it easier to adapt to things like higher electricity costs.

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Post by aristofun »

Can someone explain me like im 10 - what exactly is the root problem here? Why all these dances (and wasted taxpayers money) with data living here or there? Isnt it (in general) just another unnecessary pain for good guys while relatively easy solvable issue for bad guys? What do I miss? Genuine question.

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Post by CalRobert »

Timon3 wrote: post #161
CalRobert wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Longest I’ve seen in NL is 2 months, and it’s usually one. It’s common to string multiple “temporary” contracts together though. It still increases switching cost. As a worker with a permanent contract I have to weigh new opportunities against losing that. And it has real impacts! Getting a mortgage is harder on a temp contract (doable in NL, basically impossible in Ireland)

Six months is the default probationary period in Germany, I can't remember ever seeing a job without that. Temporary contracts are also a thing here, but if there's no objective reason for the contract to be temporary it will end after max. two years. According to Verdi ~1/13 contracts are temporary - not great, but could be much worse.

This seems like companies will struggle to eliminate roles they no longer need if the person filling it has been around more than 2 years.

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Post by ligne »

CalRobert wrote: post #93
hgtt664868 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

slashing worker protections would do what exactly?

Tbf it could reduce hiring friction and make it easier to take a chance on a riskier hire. Also makes it easier for workers to change jobs, notice periods here can be outright insane (3 months in some cases) and even as an employee I hated them.

It reduces risk for employers by piling it onto employees, who are also probably in a worse position to bear it.

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Post by armchairhacker »

iamnothere wrote: post #159
armchairhacker wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outright bans would destroy European companies that rely on American companies. First they need to build their own infrastructure (which China has done).

Europe has Jolla and Fairphone (who could surely work out something with GrapheneOS). Seems like the problem is will.

European wallet and bank apps don’t even support them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48730729

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by expedition32 »

CalRobert wrote: post #88
bambax wrote: post #50

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The EU should cut all ties with the US, tax US products and impose costly (and difficult to get) visas to American citizens wanting to visit. It won't do any of this because it has no balls and no vision. We're doomed and it's our fault.

Alternately, it should roll out the red carpet for American entrepreneurs, scientists, and talent who want to try moving here and having a go of things in Europe. The Dutch American Friendship Treaty accidentally enables this and has become quite popular, but is only for one country.

I am not too sure about that. Every US expat is a sleeper agent waiting for the CIA to call. Their loyalty will always be to America and unquestionable loyalty to the White House.

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Post by Timon3 »

CalRobert wrote: post #164
Timon3 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Six months is the default probationary period in Germany, I can't remember ever seeing a job without that. Temporary contracts are also a thing here, but if there's no objective reason for the contract to be temporary it will end after max. two years. According to Verdi ~1/13 contracts are temporary - not great, but could be much worse.

This seems like companies will struggle to eliminate roles they no longer need if the person filling it has been around more than 2 years.

The two year limit doesn't apply if the company has an objective reason for making the role temporary, e.g. external dependencies.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by armchairhacker »

bigfudge wrote: post #162
BlueTemplar wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of 'infrastructure' did China have when they had "fallen out" with Google (in 2010?), that the EU does not have now ?

I agree. Beyond scale and inertia against moving (and frontier AI models) it’s not obvious to me what would be hard to replicate in Europe given regulation that mandated non-US hosting. Most companies using hyper scalers are doing weird superstitious things at the behest of overpaid consultants. And the huge margins they take make it easier to adapt to things like higher electricity costs.

It’s technically possible, but would face too much resistance. People don’t want to leave familiar and cheaper services, and care less about the non-immediate issue of European sovereignty.

Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by iamnothere »

armchairhacker wrote: post #166
iamnothere wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has Jolla and Fairphone (who could surely work out something with GrapheneOS). Seems like the problem is will.

European wallet and bank apps don’t even support them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48730729

Right, that’s another choice though. Everything points towards Europe embracing US tech intentionally while sidelining their own homegrown companies. And of course while making noise about it the whole time. Why?
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