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US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Re: US Supreme Court Just Blew Up EU-US Data Transfers

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Post by drstewart »

bambax wrote: post #50
seydor wrote: post #34

The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.

The EU should cut all ties with the US, tax US products and impose costly (and difficult to get) visas to American citizens wanting to visit. It won't do any of this because it has no balls and no vision. We're doomed and it's our fault.

Europeans should cut ties with their own fascist, Russian sympathizers leading the polls first, then worry about Americans.

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

drstewart wrote: post #52
amarant wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, if you saw the Canadian PMs speech at davos, you'd know "the west" is already distancing itself from the US. This is not a hypothetical, it has begun. It's not like trade deals are ripped up over night, it's gonna take a while to have noticeable effect, but it is happening, and has been happening for over a year.

A speech is the definition of a hypothetical. I can show you a million Trump speeches that "show" the opposite. Something tells me you wont take those as gospel for some reason. >It's not like trade deals are ripped up over night Oh really? I thought we're ABOUT to find out what it's like to have no allies or business partners? Weird! >it's gonna take a while to have noticeable effect Ah, the magic "it's happening bu…

False equivalency. Trump constantly says whatever he wants in plain contradiction to verifiable facts: The strait is open! We win the war! I’m not in the Epstein files!

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Post by GolfPopper »

rusk wrote: post #55
bambax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU should cut all ties with the US, tax US products and impose costly (and difficult to get) visas to American citizens wanting to visit. It won't do any of this because it has no balls and no vision. We're doomed and it's our fault.

> no balls and no vision Seems to me they’re waiting it out. Everything could change in a presidential election and the European economy wins either way. It is an economic bloc after all. What you describe would be what’s called “cutting off your nose to spite your face”

The problem with "everything could change in a presidential election" is that offers no stability. No one wants to plan around "maybe the United States goes rabid again in four years".

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Post by armchairhacker »

seydor wrote: post #34

The EU keeps trying to manifest the missing european data infrastructure via data regulation instead of outright bans and limits on american companies, the way China did it.

Outright bans would destroy European companies that rely on American companies. First they need to build their own infrastructure (which China has done).

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Post by maratc »

eesmith wrote: post #18
jhanschoo wrote: post #13

For the skimmer/TL;DR'er, note that this article is by an advocacy group presenting their analysis of a situation, and then advocating and taking action on it: "Next Steps: Commission must repeal EU-US deal. noyb ..." It is not reporting on an opinion of a representative or proxy of the European Commission.

For the skimmer, the advocacy group was founded by Maximilian Schrems, whose legal cases first got the European Court of Justice to overturn the International Safe Harbor Privacy Principles (which described how a US company could legally store private data on EU citizens), and then got the ECJ to overturn EU–US Privacy Shield, which replaced the Safe Harbor principles. These decisions are known as Schrems I and Schre…

You could both be right: Shrems III could be in the works, and TLA could be presenting their legal analysis as an established fact.

In other words, (a) no, the "US Supreme Court" didn't "Just Bl[ow] Up EU-US Data Transfers" – there's nothing in the decision even remotely addressing the transfers (nor the EU!) – but (b) the situation might progress in that direction (or it might not.)

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Post by watwut »

rusk wrote: post #55
bambax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU should cut all ties with the US, tax US products and impose costly (and difficult to get) visas to American citizens wanting to visit. It won't do any of this because it has no balls and no vision. We're doomed and it's our fault.

> no balls and no vision Seems to me they’re waiting it out. Everything could change in a presidential election and the European economy wins either way. It is an economic bloc after all. What you describe would be what’s called “cutting off your nose to spite your face”

> Everything could change in a presidential election

A lot can change, but not everything. Trump won twice and republican elites are fully behind him. Even if he looses, the same ideologies will continue. It happened twice, it is not a fluke but a permanent property of American politics.

Moreover, constitutional changes supreme court created are structural change. They will be super hard to undone - first they would need to change supreme court composition. The influence of money in American politics will just grow, the structural advantages of conservatives have in voting system will just grow and next conservative president will have even more space for maneuvering. (Non conservative one will likely be stopped by supreme court on some excuse.)

So, basically, outside of change actual constitution which is impossible, it will stay the same at best in the long term.

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Post by cesaref »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #41

Europa, the official web portal of the tech sovereign European Union, will have to change their CDN provider (Amazon's CloudFront). https://europa.eu

Unless that site collects personal information, it's fine isn't it? This isn't about where stuff is hosted, it's about privacy.

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Post by AndroTux »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #41

Europa, the official web portal of the tech sovereign European Union, will have to change their CDN provider (Amazon's CloudFront). https://europa.eu

So will https://wero-wallet.eu - you know, the European alternative to VISA/MasterCard.

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Post by AndroTux »

cesaref wrote: post #67
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #41

Europa, the official web portal of the tech sovereign European Union, will have to change their CDN provider (Amazon's CloudFront). https://europa.eu

Unless that site collects personal information, it's fine isn't it? This isn't about where stuff is hosted, it's about privacy.

IPs are personal information afaik
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