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Post by rossjudson »

weregiraffe wrote: post #114
euleriancon wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Help me understand this viewpoint that AGI being possible in the near-ish future is a myth, I see it repeated quite a lot. I've been in NLP since the LSTM days and it's hard for me to look at LLMs and not just think they are incredible. It's truly a different level of expressiveness. So much of capabilities research is pointing to LLMs effectively learning a world model. RLVR is also proving really effective. It is h…

If AGI is near, why Tesla still doesn't have real FSD?

- Liability - What can you really fit in HW4? - No right answers in many situations. - But mostly liability. It's pretty good.

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Post by gopher_space »

euleriancon wrote: post #80
nozzlegear wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGI is a convenient myth that the big American AI companies use to continue breathlessly marketing their products to the people and intellectuals who would, under any other circumstance, consider themselves rational and immune to such tricks.

Help me understand this viewpoint that AGI being possible in the near-ish future is a myth, I see it repeated quite a lot. I've been in NLP since the LSTM days and it's hard for me to look at LLMs and not just think they are incredible. It's truly a different level of expressiveness. So much of capabilities research is pointing to LLMs effectively learning a world model. RLVR is also proving really effective. It is h…

> Help me understand this viewpoint that AGI being possible in the near-ish future is a myth, I see it repeated quite a lot.

Nobody will buy an AI with enough context to develop critiques of their own organizational structure.

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Post by cloche »

fhe wrote: post #92
CuriouslyC wrote: post #6

Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

I felt Hassabis' heart was never in consumer applications or even LLMs. He'd much rather be doing scientific research.

He's basically said as much directly. I think it was in his book that he would like to get back to research at some point in the future. If he had things his way, AI would still not be public and would be used for advancing science only. Then there'd be no competitive interests pulling them into consumer products.

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Post by solarkraft »

kingkongjaffa wrote: post #113

Between this and Shazeer you guys are idolizing individuals in an unhealthy way IMO. Why are we keeping tabs on researchers moving around? You're talking about them like people talk about the NFL trading players or (football) soccer teams making recordbreaking player transfers. someone further down wrote > Anthropic legit builds one the strongest if not the strongest IC team in the history of computational technology…

Why not, really? People have different (though likely conflicting) views on the company and it’s an interesting (and potentially profitable) space to follow.

I‘d argue it’s more meaningful than sports, which makes it more interesting to follow.

Of course the sports aspects are silly, but maybe they‘re just a fun way to keep track. Happens to other popular companies in the tech sector as well.

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Post by xnx »

mlmonkey wrote: post #137
CuriouslyC wrote: post #6

Something spicy must have happened internally at Google. This rapid fire high level attrition isn't just down to the bureaucratic quagmire.

Here's my read. Take it for what you paid for it ... it comes from a couple of decades of experience in research labs and top companies. Google appears to be falling behind in the AGI race. The leadership (MBAs) do what clueless leadership always does: they start cracking the whips, bring the knives out. People like Jumper, Shazeer, Dean, etc. are not built for fighting political battles; they're built for solving to…

It seems extremely unlikely that "MBAs" are bossing around any of the frontier AI teams at Google.
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