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Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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Social engagement circuitry in your brain is in other parts than dedicated internal conversation logic thought streams. By talking to someone else, you're simply mobilizing a different set of circuitry and thinking approaches. It's like you switched llm models I don't think this is particularly a complicated phenomenon

btw Pangram says 100% of the original article was written by AI

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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post #126

It started out as an interesting read, until I got to this paragraph: > The value didn't come from what was said at that moment. It came from what had been built across many such moments: a pattern of mutual recognition, a shared context, a baseline of trust that made the later exchange possible. The relationship was the infrastructure. The conversation was where it had been built, one cup of coffee at a time. And th…

Similar: as soon as I see that LLM style I bail out, you can't trust the content. If they can't be arsed to write it, why TF should I be arsed to read it.

seems the author removed that paragraph from the article after reading this comment

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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In 2017 LLMs weren't powerful enough to generate working code on their own, but my goal was to at least create a chatbot that could help you rubber-duck-debug your way to a solution. Unfortunately the tech wasn't quite strong enough for that, and not enough engineers even knew what rubber-duck-debugging was. RIP Duckly. Trying to train an LLM on two 1080ti's on the StackOverflow corpus in my living room was a vibe th…

perhaps it is time to resurrect Duckly queue Frankenstein music and thunder in background

That would be interesting but the space is so choked now.

I'm also already busy building Forgetmenaut and enabling data deletion at scale: forgetmenaut.com

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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This shit gets me irrationally mad. Well, the existence of such content doesn't, but the fact that other people aren't disdained by it (this dogshit has almost 300 upvotes on _HN_ right now) is what gets me.

As someone who doesn't follow the specifics of how LLMs write, how can you be sure it's an LLM? I'm asking this genuinely because I've been using stuff like these separators before LLMS - now someone can just say "ahh dismiss the content they used style X it's LLM, it's dogshit".

I am not sure if I would manage to correctly identify every typical phrase, but the one I quoted I am absolutely certain of.

You could try asking an LLM to write some prose about whatever you fancy. Maybe two or three different pieces, and ask it to be extra profound. You will probably see that exact sentence structure above a number of times:

> It’s not [X], it’s [Y]. A bit of [A], the [random adjective] of [B], all weaving together to form [C]. A short sentence. Maybe two. A final, culminating closer, gradually transcending into space.

The words are quite interchangeable, but the you will know it when you see it.

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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Similar: as soon as I see that LLM style I bail out, you can't trust the content. If they can't be arsed to write it, why TF should I be arsed to read it.

fwiw Pangram says 100% of the original article was written by AI

Pangram is a cool idea. It can be wildly wrong though.

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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Harvard's cs50 had a "Rubber Duck debugger" which was an LLM trained on all their educational content with specific guardrails in place to not give any answers. It would chat back with you planting little ideas to help push your understanding just a little bit. I loved it so much, because I was learning programming completely by myself usually after midnight while taking care of a new-born. I had nobody to pair-progr…

That sounds horrible, honestly.

It was a tough time, indeed. But I feel that had I used an "all unknowing and answering" LLM, my retention and understanding of the class material would have been significantly lower. But I didn't have any choice as to having anyone to actually chat with back and forth. So it worked for me.

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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A different funny that should be archived here with the above. Assuming you can type well. Take a sentence, put your hands on the keyboard with the intend to type it but dont do it. Some time later dont try to remember the sentence but just put the hands on the keys and let them type. Its really funny seeing the text come out of your keyboard buffer muscle memory. Some japanese guy said he played with the concept and…

You can't think of a sentence and type it later without actively remembering it. You either forgot the sentence by then or you're able to recall it - just typing from memory without actively remembering is just not a thing that is possible. Muscle memory isn't built from thinking one time about what you'd do.

One time early in the morning i couldnt remember the 6 digit accesscode for a warehouse. It seemed completely pointless to go there. Approaching the door i thought and now what?? When close enough my hand went up and typed the code. The door opened and i thought, wait, what was it? The memory was only available if my hand was on the keypad. It then seemed pointless to conciously remember it.

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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post #126

It started out as an interesting read, until I got to this paragraph: > The value didn't come from what was said at that moment. It came from what had been built across many such moments: a pattern of mutual recognition, a shared context, a baseline of trust that made the later exchange possible. The relationship was the infrastructure. The conversation was where it had been built, one cup of coffee at a time. And th…

Similar: as soon as I see that LLM style I bail out, you can't trust the content. If they can't be arsed to write it, why TF should I be arsed to read it.

If I smell AI writing, I ask my AI to condense it to a few bullet points

Re: Why thinking out loud with someone beats thinking alone

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I always found explaining the problem to one of my cats was a good way of getting to the solution, sadly I had to put the last one down on Monday and now my office feels empty and lifeless. I'd wait a bit and get a kitten but having lost both cats inside a year frankly it hurts too much and they don't live long enough.

Sorry for your loss.

Thanks, she was older for a cat and the prognosis of surgery wasn’t great and in the best case she’d have suffered recovery for low odds, still felt horrible holding her in my arms as the vet injected the sedative, she was trying to play with the vet prior to that, I had her (and her brother) their entire lives bar a few weeks, neighbours found the litter and we took a pair.

My ex wanted cats, I was never a fan but her and her brother wormed their way into my heart in a way I never expected, I’m not going to get another though, my missus isn’t a huge fan but more than that they don’t live long enough compared to us and it really hurts too much because of that.

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